[Update 30052014] Fund Raising For Roy Ngerng’s Court Case Against Lee Hsien Loong

Dear Singaporeans, thank you for your support in raising funds for the court case. I am grateful for all the support and well-wishes, and thank you for reminding me to be strong. I will. You can read more about what the court and the fund raising appeal here.

As I had shared on my Facebook, I will update on the funds raised to be transparent and accountable. Please see below for further information on the funds raised so far, as of 5.00pm today.

Funds Raised So Far

We have raised $14,946.67 so far. We would still need to raise another $55,053.33. The target is $70,000.

Funds Raised  by 30 May 2014

Transaction Histories

Please see below the transaction histories of the bank accounts.

Below is the transaction history for the POSB Savings Bank Account 130-23068-7 (Ngerng Yi Ling). This is my personal bank account. $14,596.67 has been raised from here.

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Below is the transaction history for the OCBC Savings Bank Account 657-4-111750 (Ngerng Mui Choo). My father helped set up this bank account yesterday solely for this fund raising. $350 has been raised from here.

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Below is the transaction history for PayPal. Someone found my PayPal account and sent the funds via PayPal to me. Please note that the PayPal is linked to my personal POSB bank account. I will include these amounts in the funds raised when they enter my personal POSB bank account, for ease of accounting. $95.60 has been raised from here.

PayPal 30 May 2014

To Transfer Funds

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If you would like to contribute to the cause, you can make a deposit to POSB Savings Account Number 130-23068-7 (Ngerng Yi Ling). This is the main avenue for the fund raising.

Some people have also asked me about fund transfers via other options. I have managed to find out from the bank and compiled a list below based on the queries.

Method Details
Bank transfer or cheque Transfer to: POSB Savings Account Number 130-23068-7 (Ngerng Yi Ling)
Cash (in person) Please write to me at royngerng@gmail.com for the address
Cash or cheque (snail mail) Please write to me at royngerng@gmail.com for the address
Overseas transfer DBS Bank Ltd12 Marina BoulevardDBS Asia CentralMarina Bay Financial Centre Tower 3Singapore 018982Swift address: DBSSSGSGBank code: 7171Branch code: 081

 

POSB Savings Account Number: 130-23068-7

POSB Savings Account Name: Ngerng Yi Ling

Once again, thank you for helping us raise funds to fight the court case. I hope that we can meet the wishes of Singaporeans.

194 comments

    • Fong Khai Yin

      This is definitely shows that many Singaporeans want answers from our Government. The more the Government tries to quiet the noise, the more Singaporeans are standing up and wants the Government know that we are not happy with the CPF policies.

      If the Government is not listening, then they will be voted out at the next election.

      • 1kickko

        Fong Khai Yin dont be a fool… court is not a place for u to raise question to gov but the judge raise questions to u… the money given are not help to fight or question the gov but just to cover the asxs of this loser or at least help him feel mentality secure in the moment… & that stupid old threat of next elect to vote out have repeated since your father or grandad time but they still in 1 piece & strong

      • Mic

        Didn’t you realize it is probably because there are people like you everywhere that caused it?

        Though I do agree that it won’t be as simple to vote them out, look at the last malaysian election, supports are everywhere for the opposition and yet they still lost, it won’t be easy for sure, thats why more Singaporean need to unite instead of bringing down fellow citizens.

        I still not really in favor on donating though.

      • 1kickko

        so such ppl have been around since your grandfather time… what make u think it can make a different now.. the only facts i can see is, u & your group will get dissapointed again & again just like your father grandfather batch even when your leg straighted.. if u smart enough & have the insight u shld know that lots never voted for pap but just that their grassroot foundation are more than 50% of sg popu & is more than enough

      • 勉励

        让晚空星星闪闪照耀我心窝
        今宵星星特别多
        仿佛颗颗也甚明白我
        给我闪出光勉励扶助

        从前我立下志愿为真相而奋斗
        哪怕路途受挡
        在每天默默的闯默默的干
        信念仍然是每日更壮

        让信心就像不熄不会暗的火
        真金不怕熊炉火
        高高山峰我亦曾立过
        风雨怎可把我心吓阻

      • Albert Ng

        don’t be stupid to fix CPF with 6% interest or higher, who got the most money in CPF? it will be the high income group and the rich to use it as banking fix deposit where as the lower income have no choice but withdraw it for the HDB.

        Govt must come up with policies that benefit the country as a whole, by increasing CPF interest rate what are the negative result?

        1. Benefit higher income more than lower income.
        2. The whole process of buying HDB using CPF money will get clogged up since this will benefit those who can keep CPF saving for earning high interest.
        3. By paying higher CPF interest will only reduce the country reserve invested through GIC, those money can be used for future generation and still it belongs to the people.

        So stop thinking of paying CPF like what some dud suggested, 6% ? 9% ?

    • andy

      Now he fight PM lee over CPF.. IN FUTURE HE WILL FIGHT FOR GAY RIGHTS AND GAY MARRIDGE !!! all of u who donate to him will curse and ur son will become GAY

      • Terence

        Sure Andy, because supporting gay rights and marriage will make you gay, just like hanging around tall people will make you taller. In your case it’s probably other ignorant and bigoted people.

      • Tishi

        Mic and Andy when you hit 55yo you will understand why uncle now is with Roy. It is no longer Roy fight for CPF. It is now Roy + Singaporean Singaporeans and Oversea Singaporeans fight and those above 55yo with CPF

      • 1kickko

        “It is no longer Roy fight for CPF” no need to reach 55 lah.. any1 if right now i’m fighting for your gain u will also with me correct?? just this loser know how to play with situation NOT MEAN really on your side… just to make use of your desperate expectation to feed the agenda.. pls lah this kind of tactics have been used over & over again by those political players historically worldwide

      • Mampos

        FUD?

        If Roy is doing something good right now, then support him.

        Roy isn’t perfect. If he chooses to fight for a cause which you feel is wrong, then don’t support him in future.

      • Dui lei lo mei

        Terence: becareful of what you curse and remember . three times the fold back to the one who curses others So Mote it be!

      • Edmund

        Just don’t curse for we not know what lies in the future. Though I don’t totally agree with him questioning the government but what else can we do besides empathy? I are in their playground we play according to the regulations.

      • 1kickko

        so simple meh? especially on something that concern u a lot… these players know how to play your nerve & stir situation when they have nothing to bear… not that easy lah like medicine are bitter… sometime right & wrong are very hard to see.. & thats work to their favours

      • Jesse Loo

        You won’t survive an hour in LA or San Francisco talking like you know what anti choice is like.

    • Albert Ng

      don’t be stupid to fix CPF with 6% interest or higher, who got the most money in CPF? it will be the high income group and the rich to use it as banking fix deposit where as the lower income have no choice but withdraw it for the HDB.

      Govt must come up with policies that benefit the country as a whole, by increasing CPF interest rate what are the negative result?

      1. Benefit higher income more than lower income.
      2. The whole process of buying HDB using CPF money will get clogged up since this will benefit those who can keep CPF saving for earning high interest.
      3. By paying higher CPF interest will only reduce the country reserve invested through GIC, those money can be used for future generation and still it belongs to the people.

      So stop thinking of paying CPF like what some dud suggested, 6% ? 9% ?

      • Wow

        How is it that EVERYTHING must be linked back to the RICH in a biased manner? It sounds more like jealousy and feelings of inequity, more so than truly wanting to help your own side of the people.

        1. The funds go to a sovereign fund. Regardless of who they invest in, the money goes back into government coffers. And any investment is still an economic influence, not only for the rich.
        2. I didnt really get that? Be it money in CPF or in a HDB, this money is resistant to inflation, although it could be better used as individual capital. The CPF rates beat inflation rates. And HDB prices can only go up in the long term, as by market rules and scarcity. Where is it clogged up beside you losing a % of your spending power? it sucks but life has gone on for the past few decades nonetheless.
        3. Sorry but i dont really understand your english. What the……..I’ll try my best here.

        I’m not sure if you’re for or against it but you sure do hate the rich. Its their fault they have money that they earned, to spare yea???? The rich dont need CPF either mind you. But i ‘like’ how you blame the rich and think the CPF helps them. Bloody bullshit. Stop being so biased. The rich (Those who made their own cut) earned every penny themselves and adapted themselves to the market. So dont blame them for being advantaged when the economy is a system that doesnt come to you, but you come to them. Do you see yourself being interviewed without going to a firm? No, you’ve got to get there yourself, before you even stand a chance to make it like the rest of us.

      • Ken

        Albert, stop repeating your delusional gospel here. Do you think paying a negative 1.6% real return for the OA is good for the low income group when that will destroy the purchasing power of their retirement savings in the future? What are you smoking?

      • Lim Teh Si

        Lemon Brother,
        You said Fong left her brain at PSLE, & education (structured by PAP govt) was wasted on me. But at least Fong & me got proper names. Lemon means “a defective person or thing”. You educated at all?! In fact, PAPaya will suit you better, you smell like one.

    • goh kan heng

      Yes, fully transparent, unlike our CPF.
      Where are the three President wanabe Tans? No sound, no water. I thought they are rich people? How come no contribute?

    • XXX

      Roy. You mentioned you need 70K for legal fees. How much of this 70K will be from you own pocket or from you family. You can’t be expecting to solicit full 70K from donations do you? Donations should only make up the shortfall.

      • DV

        Exactly. I don’t even know why you expect the public to rescue and pay for your legal fees. I didn’t ask you to speak for me. I have my own voice. There are things I don’t like about my home country and the government, but I would not have done it the way you did. Not by telling and sharing untruths anyway. You’ve dug your own grave, now go lie in it.

    • Albert Ng

      don’t be stupid to fix CPF with 6% interest or higher, who got the most money in CPF? it will be the high income group and the rich to use it as banking fix deposit where as the lower income have no choice but withdraw it for the HDB.

      Govt must come up with policies that benefit the country as a whole, by increasing CPF interest rate what are the negative result?

      1. Benefit higher income more than lower income.
      2. The whole process of buying HDB using CPF money will get clogged up since this will benefit those who can keep CPF saving for earning high interest.
      3. By paying higher CPF interest will only reduce the country reserve invested through GIC, those money can be used for future generation and still it belongs to the people.

      So stop thinking of paying CPF like what some dud suggested, 6% ? 9% ?

  1. A concerned person

    Please set up a separate bank account for this, if not later it may serve as an excuse for them to accuse you of misuse of funds from personal bank account. Not a good thing.

  2. Dj_speedcam@hotmail.com

    Just a thought, I wonder if it is safe to transfer because some scammer might use your post and change the account number to their account and receive the money instead of reaching the real person.

      • Carolyn

        err… so from which part of this information can you tell who donated to him?

      • nosferatu

        He edited the original post. Good call. It’s anonymous now. I wished he actually acknowledged this comment instead of making it seem redundant….

  3. Jeff

    Hi, I am not a supporter of pap and I despite the way Mr Lee react to this case. However you did make a accuse without evidence backing on it. If you had evidence on the article to support it, I will donate to support. There are many other low income families need donation more then you to get a meal and school. In your case, you are asking for donations for your case due to you wrote an article accusing an person with evidence, this is your own wrong doing. If you can’t make the compensation, you will be made bankruptcy. Dr Chee had been bankrupted by Mr Lee before because he refused to pay the amount they want. Since you have the courage to wrote the article, take up the responsibility. If you really care about Singapore, donate the donations collected to the low income families which need more then you.

    • XXXXX

      Not sure if dumb or dumber.

      What he and every other individual who donated is to take up a long-term strategy in favor of short term gains (What you’re asking him to do). Am pretty sure the funds transferred to him will be beneficial for his case and in the days that follow given not many other Singaporeans’ can and are willing to muster up courage to speak out against the state.

      Do not forget, if he wins this case and (crossing my fingers) the government repeals their CPF laws, it’d be far more advantageous to Singaporeans in general (be it supporters or not) over the long run.

      • XXXXX

        [Edit]:

        *What he and every other individual who donated is trying to do is to take up a long-term strategy…”

      • Jeff

        He already admit that the article he wrote is not accurate. So where is the case. The hearing is to determine the damage he need to pay not on is his accuse is accurate or not.. So don’t expect to see any out come on this expect paying for more damages. Long or short term strategy make no difference in this case. End result will be the same. If really want to help Singapore, be a volunteer for the opposition. Vote more of them in during 2016 GE.

      • Mic

        Jeff got some points though, as the one fighting for the people, should he use the money from the people?

        He is brilliant for standing up for the people, however, if he didn’t overstep the boundaries, will the government be able to sue him as they please or got any cases against him??

      • XXXXX

        Jeff & Mic,

        Fair point. I apologize for my hasty response and the tone that I took just now. I’m sorry.

        Again, points brought up were good but do you not think that the case will stretch far beyond the boundaries of the legitimacy of the article he brought up? And if what you said were true, Roy and his lawyer advising him would have the sense to back away from this confrontation after apologizing.

        I believe however that given Roy’s insistence on going ahead with the court case, he still has some cards up his sleeves to be emboldened to request for a clarification to the public where and what is the government doing with CPF funds.

        Don’t get me wrong though, I may not be entirely sure that the evidence he gathered has been falsified or not but judging from Roy’s adamant nature toward this saga, he and many others are still left with many questions unanswered, answers that could be revealed in depth in court.

      • Jeff

        XXXXXX,
        no offend taken…. my gut feel is the details of the cpf will not be release. Mr lee just need to prove that he did not misuse the funds in cpf for personal gain, and prove that his reputation. anyway for my understanding this is a hearing on damage not on liability. meaning he is already liable for the damage, taking the hearing is to determine the damage he need to pay. even the case is about how truthful is his accusation, CPF details i do not think it will be release. Years ago, Mr ong can not even get the information during his term, and case before him with dr chee and mr teng also didn’t have any outcome. what i felt is he should take up the responsibility of what he posted on line and not asking for donation on his case which is due to his own mistake. Being bankrupt is not the end of the world, that is the worse case if he can’t pay.

      • Albert Ng

        don’t be stupid to fix CPF with 6% interest or higher, who got the most money in CPF? it will be the high income group and the rich to use it as banking fix deposit where as the lower income have no choice but withdraw it for the HDB.

        Govt must come up with policies that benefit the country as a whole, by increasing CPF interest rate what are the negative result?

        1. Benefit higher income more than lower income.
        2. The whole process of buying HDB using CPF money will get clogged up since this will benefit those who can keep CPF saving for earning high interest.
        3. By paying higher CPF interest will only reduce the country reserve invested through GIC, those money can be used for future generation and still it belongs to the people.

        So stop thinking of paying CPF like what some dud suggested, 6% ? 9% ?

      • Wow

        If the gov repeals the CPF laws, its not because of him, but because majority of the state decline it.
        It’ll be reflected in the votes. And if the PAP dare to make such a move, isnt it obvious they’re sure of the results it will bring?

        I for one, will still vote for the PAP, as the WP is nowhere near, and people like Roy.. Can only speak, but not provide conclusive and well evidenced suggestions. If i implemented ANYthing that Roy mentioned, besides issues with the new CPF laws, this nation will only regress and not progress. You’re asking the rich to get poorer so the poor can get richer, and not by the poor people’s effort, but by taxes and government welfare. I’m definitely not in sync to provide for the poor unless they are the homeless, handicapped, sickly or elderly. And this is not provision for the undeserving but the unfortunate. And by unfortunate I do not mean that you are unfortunately born poor. EARN YOUR OWN DAMN MONEY. If you unfortunately fall ill, then its morally right the government helps you in some way, but you got it coming to you if you’re poor because you didnt study hard and thus cant find a job, or the industry doesnt need you. Like i said. You’ve to keep up, not complain about the PAP and ask why you’re suffering when its obvious that its actually you.

        And before u call me a privileged person, my family has been bankrupted, in the dirt, and still come out of it. 7years later, we’re all millionaires and own our own house. If you truly are ‘CAPABLE’, you’d make your mark. If you aren’t, dont blame the government.

      • Dan Dan

        This case is about the defamation suit and not about CPF. Do not be a dumbass. Damages will be paid. He is better of a bankrupt than throwing donors money down the drain for legal fees.

    • Francis

      this is a sure lose case..it is just a matter of how much the damages will be. so whatever people are donating, it goes straight to his lawyer and the damages. and I agree with the opinion that there are many more people who deserves and needs the financial assistance than Roy.

      • Lim Teh Si

        Roy made me realise & deep think many points he brought up thru his video. Very insightful & great analysis that even scholars may not reach his level. He create an awareness in us & I applaud his effort. By helping him with legal costs is how I return the favour. He’s done what the average singaporean didn’t. True, I disagree with parts of it with regards to irresponsible, inappropriate terms used. But at the end of the day, I don’t wish to see him behind bars.

      • 1kickko

        u again gong lan jiao chan… that bo xiao gan gay amk ast member… go back to your pros mother hole lah SOB, talk like shout everytime & think u good to fight isit… kan ni ea ah qua ka chen… u can kpkb & fight with your fag mouth only

    • Mic

      I do hope what you said were true, it is obvious to all that what the pm want aren’t any monetary compensations.

      I applaud for Roy’s deed and he are brave for talking and standing out, but I just can’t bring myself to fully support him. Hopefully we won’t see a repeat of Dr.Chee saga

      • Jeff

        The way Mr Lee react to the case will cause more negative impression on him and his party from the public. human natural will pity the party with less power regardless of who is at the fault. if he just accept the apology and the initial 5k offer, the public will still acknowledge him as a gracious person which just wanted to teach roy a lesson to be responsible for what he wrote. at this moment people will only remember him as a bully with power on a normal personal which earning a honest living. If he just trying to silence the voice in the internet, he got it backslash on himself.

    • johnson

      Jeff, u have made a terrible mistake by asking Roy to donate the money to other people. People donate for a specific cause, u have no right to decide for them, it’s not your money; Even Roy can’t suka suka give the money away because that would go against the intention of the givers in the first place. Trust would have broken in such a case.

      • Albert Ng

        don’t be stupid to fix CPF with 6% interest or higher, who got the most money in CPF? it will be the high income group and the rich to use it as banking fix deposit where as the lower income have no choice but withdraw it for the HDB.

        Govt must come up with policies that benefit the country as a whole, by increasing CPF interest rate what are the negative result?

        1. Benefit higher income more than lower income.
        2. The whole process of buying HDB using CPF money will get clogged up since this will benefit those who can keep CPF saving for earning high interest.
        3. By paying higher CPF interest will only reduce the country reserve invested through GIC, those money can be used for future generation and still it belongs to the people.

        So stop thinking of paying CPF like what some dud suggested, 6% ? 9% ?

  4. 1kickko

    just need to triple on whatever amt u received.. what ever means or efforts u do still in vain.. the more u received the happier they are

    • Dulan

      wtf i sent you 10k you never put in?? you think you v smart right roy? all the pocket change you declare, then 1 lumpsum you just pocket

      • Hardworking Honest Ordinary Sporean

        Where your Ngerng Legal Defence Fund is going: the complete truth and nothing but the truth.

        Wait you wanna sue me for defamation? I am sued by the very healthcare worker-cum-politician who should be speaking up for me? This is not right! This is disappointing! How dare you challenge my freedom of expression????

        Anyway I can offer you $0.50 in view of my modest living as a pathetic attention seeker. Please accept my genuine and unreserved apology.

        lol.

      • I sense your insecurity

        White troll don’t talk cock here lah, how can people pocket your lumpar when you cannot prove you have one?

      • 1kickko

        funny meh? dulan kixiao lim lao peh me also mis transferred 100 millions to your acc.. mai kia xiao… do return me my monies

  5. Roy

    Hey Roy, why don’t you post a screenshot of your ibanking and let others who doubt see your donation. Its more convincing than to screenshot your excel compilation of the donations. Good luck in your fundraising

  6. A Thinking SIngaporean who is not a LHL fan

    I was at your education talk last December. Love your work. Will donate to you on 7 June! Cheers!

    • Albert Ng

      don’t be stupid to fix CPF with 6% interest or higher, who got the most money in CPF? it will be the high income group and the rich to use it as banking fix deposit where as the lower income have no choice but withdraw it for the HDB.

      Govt must come up with policies that benefit the country as a whole, by increasing CPF interest rate what are the negative result?

      1. Benefit higher income more than lower income.
      2. The whole process of buying HDB using CPF money will get clogged up since this will benefit those who can keep CPF saving for earning high interest.
      3. By paying higher CPF interest will only reduce the country reserve invested through GIC, those money can be used for future generation and still it belongs to the people.

      So stop thinking of paying CPF like what some dud suggested, 6% ? 9% ?

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  8. Roy's Account Vs Singapore Reserves

    Roy
    Your personal bank account is more transparent than some sovereign funds that we all know.
    I now know more about your bank account than our national reserves.

    • Dulan

      You left out an important difference:

      Information regarding Roy’s bank account is worth jackshit, while information about the size and allocation of our national reserves, in the wrong hands, may prove detrimental to our economy

      • Only PAP Can Do The Right Thing ???

        @ Dulan, 31 may @ 1.58am
        How will transparency be detrimental to our economy?
        Spell out the mechanism.

        ‘In the wrong hands”
        – whose hands are you talking about?
        – we already lost billions in somebody’s hands
        – how much worse can it get?

  9. The Silence

    Singaporeans are watching. Stay strong! Beneath his PM-shit, he’s just an ordinary man like all of us. You will lose the case as no one trust a 5th rank crony capitalist as the PM Lee. Take heart of the day, knowing that thinking and kind-hearted Singaporeans who value freedom of expression will pay it off for you through donations. The whole world is watching what kind of people today’s 21st century Singaporeans are! Are they still as shit fuck fearful as their fathers? You have already set up a series of waves to come. I can assure you 5 people I know have already jumped ship because of this stupid action of the PM. People don’t know what kind of a shitfuck draconian method is he employing to ordinary citizens who speak on things that matter. It is his years of practicing intranparency that makes many civil servants to think that there is something to hide.

    • Mampos

      One can see many sinkies here trolling the comments. They want to protect the status quo like the Yellow Shirts.

    • RoySupporter

      Nothing, because he’s fighting for us. He used the word “we can go through this together”.

  10. yus

    Roy as you see, there are so many voices and views regarding every issue. After any changes made, there will again be a group of people with questions and after questions. you have your views and I have mine. If every issue we have to get to such an extend to consider every request, nothing gets done as we will be busy with questions after questions. We already have opposition to give checks and balance. Unless we say that the opposition didnt do a good job. If every Singaporean like this,how are we as a Singapore move forward? Because every single things gets debate and solutions debated again and again. I know this post is going to upset some people but I have my views.

    • XXXXX

      And I respect your views…but this is mine:

      Why do you think there are so many issues and blips that we’d want to question the government for? IF there is transparency in the matters they undertook, I’m inclined to suggest there won’t be as many doubts in the hearts of Sgreans now.

      Besides, shouldn’t it be the government’s responsibility to be accountable to its people? Granted, there are no such government in the world (Well, maybe cept for Finland but still…) doing an absolutely fantastic job but nevertheless, even developed countries allow the right of the people to demonstrate should they be unhappy with something, e.g. rallies/unions/petitions etc.

      And do you honestly think that there is a check and balance system here? Majority of the papers/documentations/media is gripped tightly at the reins by the ruling party. Do you think they’d be willing to give the opposition something that can undermine themselves? The way I see it, it’s not about whether the opposition is doing a good job or not but the government’s actions should be subjected to scrutiny instead.

      I agree that we have to set aside differences in order to move forward…really I respect this sentiment with all my heart. But are you sure every Singaporean out there is as noble and stalwart as you’d have us believe? Put it simply: If the state watches our funds, who watches theirs?

      “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes”

      • yus

        Very well written. Pls allow me to share my personal experience. I had lived and worked in Europe for a couple of years. Before I embarked on my trip, I was dissatisfied with many things here and often critising certain policies how it will affect me. I thought I might settle in a greener pasture eventually. However, the few years there actually made me appreciate Singapore. There were so many things Singapore did far better like transport system and infrastructure, education, healthcare. Only a middle income earner, i have to pay high taxes and social insurance like locals do. With social insurance, you can visit the public hospital free. To be honest, I would rather have the choice not have this benefit and not pay for this. The public hospitals, trust me, you will not want to go. Hence, I choose to top up additional company for subsidised private hospital coverage. Many things were not as transparent as you might think in many of these developed countries too. Other than plenty of good life experience, life was not easy there. Then there comes enough and returned. I was lucky to find a good job. Till today, I still travel to few European countries each years. And each time when I returned, it reminded me how comfortable life here is and i am rather contented. I speak for myself. I see that that overall the systems here have achieved very good results based on my own living standard comparisons. This is a place where we grow up to be very competitive. It is also a very material based country where many people work very hard to pursue material success to achieve more comfortable life or early retirement. If you look at most middle income Europeans, generally many are living very modest lifestyle and are satisfied without having many material things. I would say most Singaporeans including myself would not fit into this, otherwise there would be no need to discuss about CPF returns so intensely. I am also prepared to work as long as i could.. like 67, if i am still employable of course, simply because of the lifestyle I wanted and not because it is not sufficent.

        Whether how much transparency it is now, I am not concerned because I am very satisfied with the results and what I get here.

        What I say here is my personal opinion and by no means representation of any. Least I may get insulted as I see many angry ones here.

      • XXXXX

        Yus,

        Thanks for your well-thought out response. Again, I understand your opinion is just yours and I can sympathize with where you’re coming from because I myself have been to these countries as a student and as a working adult.

        In any case, I’ll leave several points I noticed to ponder should you be interested:
        – You were not a citizen there hence you are not entitled to some of the privileges the locals would
        – Though public infrastructure (as many may agree) in Singapore is better, theirs isn’t very far off too, e.g. Trams/Trains/Buses
        – Actually, they have pretty high standards for their lifestyles as well. Most Westerners consider it a norm to be able to own a residential property in the suburbs with English gardens for Sunday BBQs and cars for traversing between destinations
        – Many will then retort that Singapore has no land, then may I ask why are they bringing so many foreigners in?
        – And most will retort again it is done to fill lower-income jobs that Sgreans aren’t willing to do but low-income households and the elderly who are desperate suggests otherwise
        – Which brings me to the point of high GDP and what is perceived to be rising housing asset growth – What’s the point of owning an inflated property when all other properties cost just as much? It’s a zero-sum game to be honest.

        This entire saga has been blown up to the extent that various MPs have voiced out their concern of Singaporeans and their attitude towards the government. Some have even acknowledged the points made by Roy (see link below) which in my humble opinion, is long overdue.

      • More food for thought

        If Singaporeans are willing to do those low income jobs, why are we hearing about the service industry having so much difficulty in getting Singaporeans to fill up the vacancies?

      • XXXXX

        @More food for thought

        Did you also factor in foreigners heading HR depts choosing to hire their own instead of locals? (Not strictly FnB)

        Why is there also a need for foreign doctors and other professions when course intakes at local Unis can be expanded for locals? Is there a need to change the ratio of 9:1 to 1:1 (Local:Foreign employees) drastically?

      • More food for thought

        Did you factor in the not so recent law which impose a limit on the number of foreigners that can be employed at a company? Yet there are still companies struggling to find Singaporeans to fill up the vacancies.

      • Albert Ng

        don’t be stupid to fix CPF with 6% interest or higher, who got the most money in CPF? it will be the high income group and the rich to use it as banking fix deposit where as the lower income have no choice but withdraw it for the HDB.

        Govt must come up with policies that benefit the country as a whole, by increasing CPF interest rate what are the negative result?

        1. Benefit higher income more than lower income.
        2. The whole process of buying HDB using CPF money will get clogged up since this will benefit those who can keep CPF saving for earning high interest.
        3. By paying higher CPF interest will only reduce the country reserve invested through GIC, those money can be used for future generation and still it belongs to the people.

        So stop thinking of paying CPF like what some dud suggested, 6% ? 9% ?

      • yus

        Now talking about foreigners. You would know that we have many international mncs here. Are we going to tell these companies, no pls dont set up here because we have enough foreigners. These companies will most likely hire their own people for senior post here. If they are not allowed to, they will think twice and consider other countries that could. Other than senior post, there are other mid level positions and executive that they will hire local. These companies also pay taxes…

        Now i ask you, are you willing to pay 40-50% of your income to taxes(this is what the middle income already paying there) with these social benefits, or you rather plan for your own with low taxes. I have more points to mention here but was too much to type it over my mobile. But i do appreciate your views made.

      • yus

        About property prices. Lets say we compare with cities like London. Isnt it also high? It is a matter of expectations. You want to stay in private property or get good location, then be prepared to pay. If you look at 1st time hdb at outskirts like sembawang, itsnt it affordable? But many would dream to upgrade especially in our Asian culture.

        Now there were also many hdb dwellers purchased 2nd property for rental income particularly from foreigner.

    • YYYYY

      XXXXX, judging from your post, you are telling me that if we have zero foreigners in Singapore, we all can have cars and big houses with big gardens?

      • XXXXX

        Lol, at least think first before insinuating unnecessarily.

        Foreign workers (particularly in the construction industry) have always been integral to Sg as a society. But no need to over-rely on them like what we are doing now?

      • YYYYY

        In any case, I’ll leave several points I noticed to ponder should you be interested:
        – You were not a citizen there hence you are not entitled to some of the privileges the locals would
        – Though public infrastructure (as many may agree) in Singapore is better, theirs isn’t very far off too, e.g. Trams/Trains/Buses
        – Actually, they have pretty high standards for their lifestyles as well. Most Westerners consider it a norm to be able to own a residential property in the suburbs with English gardens for Sunday BBQs and cars for traversing between destinations
        – Many will then retort that Singapore has no land, then may I ask why are they bringing so many foreigners in?

        Please tell me how does this not imply that if not for foreigners, we all have houses with English gardens for Sunday BBQs and cars? I am pretty sure I did not fail inference skills during my primary school days.

  11. John Koh

    Btw….you do not belong to any political party or charity! Are you sure you can solicit funds.
    If so, I want to accuse some ministers too….if only all you people will donate to me
    In advance before I get sued.

      • John Koh

        Not a PAP trained dog lah..! Just a faithful dog licking a master’s wound while others are biting at their master. My executive flat was under repossession some time back. Now I live in a 2 room flat fully paid and looking forward to my annuity. Yet I am realistic and thankful. Many of my foreign friends are not even at this level and trying to survive on social welfare! CPF …. you will love it when you get there.

  12. My two cents.

    By donating to Roy, people are showing their support for what he is standing for, or rather what he is standing against. The People are saying: This is not right! The more people who donate, even if it is just 2 dollars each, it is sending a statement to the incumbent govt that we are not happy. Please continue the good fight Roy! Not many are willing to stand up to the rich and powerful because of what they can do to you and the funds they have. I hope you raise the funds you need!

      • I sense your insecurity

        You are wrong, white troll, only you and your gang of no lampar think this way… a mindset you inherited from your master, who think even $5000 is mocking him.

      • Dulan

        Totally different matters. $5k is a joke for an offer of damages when taking into account the severity of Roy’s actions. $2 is a joke for donation because we all know that it’s a foregone conclusion that Roy will have to fork up money in the order of $100k or more.

  13. M

    Roy ur suit is not a cause but a case you brought onto yourself; same as for the PM by suing was neither a good method thus causing a negative impact for himself… Take responsibility and not fight for the sick of fighting…if wat you say was right then show the proof. Also, till date there isn’t any opposition party supporting you, y so? I think you already knew the answer. Lastly, if your tt gd you should be hired by company for management post that deals in economic sector and not work as a health care worker.

  14. XXX

    Roy. You mentioned you need 70K for legal fees. How much of this 70K will be from you own pocket or from you family. You can’t be expecting to solicit full 70K from donations do you? Donations should only make up the shortfall.

  15. Peace

    Yea they Shuld return cpf to everyone but increase income tax to 50% like Austrialia so that everyone can retire and not put on cpf. Either that or increase gst so that we no need put cpf and that govt can pay for our retirement!!!

  16. brunette

    I like how this sheep mentality works..people are donating to him foolishly.. Its a losing battle to begin with.. Civil suits can go up till millions.. If the case drag on and on… Are you al gonna continue to fund the whole thing_? Think . I think the lawyers are the ones smiling to the bank.

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  18. PapeeBangBalls

    PAPEE damn toolunz man, tot they send all their trolls here will hv -ve impact, end up, the support still getting stronger. U fugtarts really waste our TAX PAYER’s $$$$$$$, come here tok so muchie kok but still no impact. Now the $$$$ still rising, how ah? Running out of ieas PAPEE DOGS???? WOOF WOOF

  19. shrita

    im appreciate Roy so much tht he hav the guts to face LHL to call for transparency ……its easy to pass comments but do we have guts to stand how Mr ROY stand …… pls do donate for many cause but this guys is fiughting for our rights wheather we going to the money or not thts different but atleast he did stand n i salute him for his guts,,,, im donating you roy

  20. Enigma

    Human being shall forever and always be hypocrite, selfish, arrogant and ignorant towards their surroundings for as long as they lives and only a few shall be able tp break free of such cycle. I for once and forever will be against such injustice action brought by our government and will only do accept it when the given shine bright and change for a better future; for there’s a fine line between trust and mistrust. I will stay put in such line and be one of the very few witness of the outcome. As the saying goes , ” Whoever appeal to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themselves without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant; if I live I will kill you but of I die you are forgiven. Such is the rules of honor. “

  21. Honest opinion

    The thing about Singaporeans is that it is never enough for us. Do you think if the government were to show us how they used our monies in CPF, there won’t be any negative response? There is bound to be. I’m not saying that the government should keep us in the dark as well. But have we shown them that we can handle what is to be told? Yes, there are many people who are living in worser state than most but what have they done their whole lives to make it better than where they are now? I honestly think this is a bad move and I have to agree with Jeff that this Roy should use the money on the less fortunate instead of fighting a case which is bound to lose. He defamed the PM with false accusations. What do you expect??? As for the uncles and aunties pinning their last hope on Roy and donating to this case, please save your every cents and work towards getting your CPF paid out to you earlier.

  22. Johnny

    What happens when you throw an egg at the rock??

    Your case!

    Ppl can support the egg, ppl can cheer for the egg, ppl can even have faith with the egg.

    But the rock is harder.

    Think before you speak next time and dont let other ppl clean your ass.

  23. We Have A Choice

    A group of us Gen X guys are supporting you and your love for true Singaporeans. I have donated and you will see more to come. Sad that many Singaporeans are blinded by short term gains from the government entities and failed to look at bigger issues in the long run. Also realised there are many new trolls and keyboard warriors from the white ants side. This shows they are afraid and worry until the got to resort to this low class acts. Smart ones will smell these ppl out immd from their type of posting. The Truth Will Prevail !

    • Yolanda

      So funny… Suddenly everyone that supports PAP are the white trolls sent by PAP and all those that support Roy are true blue Singaporeans? So… those who don’t support opposition have no mind of their own? Its amazing how you generalise things. Even scarier is how you will make the wrong decision for Singapore and I, have to live the consequences you sought.

    • 1kickko

      just donate 1 million & there might be some shortchanges

      $10,000 Only? make it more….
      some1 with only a trumpet mouth will get it very soon

      • TigerCub

        1kickko, If you don’t wish to donate that is your own business, but
        why are you so nervous to see people who donated $10,000 that you have to react this way ?
        why not you wait till tomorrow to see the latest transaction update?

      • 1kickko

        why are you so nervous to see people negate comment on the donation & you have to response that way??
        only fool like u will anxious & eye on the amt received
        afterall how much need to be pay is the matter, so dont get me wrong i’m encouraging that big mouth to donate more, if the pocket is as big as the mouth is, another wrong move to show the financial muscle, just let them prepare to put more weight

  24. Unfazed

    Everyone just talk but no one really dared stand up against the high n mighty rich. Its true Roy may not win his case but if ever one day the govt were to say “citizens we’re gona return u ur cpf money” those who are talking shit abt Roy here definitely will take their money without complain. I dont believe they will tell the govt its ok to keep their cpf till they retire. At least most of them wont n im refering to those claiming support for the cpf thingy.

    Just my 2 cents worth 🙂

    • BeStrong

      What’s wrong if his agenda is to seek the truth and to fight for a fairer Singapore?
      And of course if he becomes a NMP, he will in a better position to ask critical questions to poke spears into the Ministers’ hides (just like the governent mass import foreigners to poke spears into our hides).
      Or do you believe what the government and the msn churned out are the absolute truth?
      Or you think Singaporean in general are being treated fairly in many of the government’s policies, in particular CPF’s?
      You don’t often see a Singaporean with such passion.. So if you are also interested in what he is fighting for, you cannot just see him fighting alone.

  25. Rae

    So I notice a few people have made this point, but they’re in the minority… The people who are donating to this ’cause’ in the hope of “getting the government to answer calls for transparency wrt cpf” have seriously conflated a political and legal issue. The legal issue here is whether roy has defamed lhl. It’s a pretty watertight case, caused by Roy’s inflammatory, irresponsible, and downright inaccurate writing. In other words, he is indeed guilty of the offence. I have no idea why people think funding this case has anything to do with transparency of the cpf. You are donating money to support a stubborn man with too much pride to learn from his mistakes, especially not since he can now spread that cost of his mistake amongst naive people who were blinded by his rhetoric. Now, I’m sure roy had good intentions. However, he has a responsibility to write accurately. The last thing the electorate needs now is the substandard and misinformed garbage he’s been churning out.

  26. Wee

    Keep on updating the transactions…. Those who worry about traces will put in cash next Saturday. These are also the people that worry their votes will be traced. So Roy, think about sharing that voting is secret. Much votes will be swinged. We can’t blame them for being misinformed as their fear is too big. See you soon. Stay strong and healthy. Drink more water and take vitC….

  27. SpiritOfSingapore

    By donating, I am expecting to send a signal to the PM that we believe in transparency and accountability, and open dialogue from the PM, and not sueing to silent an individual who raises questions regarding our CPF. The PM will earn his good reputation if he does the former and not the latter.

    Donate the amount you are comfortable. even if it is $2. A lone voice the PM will ignore, and take it as noise, but together we can make it loud and clear!

    • John Koh

      By refusing to donate to Roy we are sending strong signals to him that Transparency and accountability is not amounting to expect PAP to pull their pants down! It’s a different issue to engage and demand for one’s pants to be pulled down for the sake of transparency. It’s totally another issue to call PAP a cheat that have benefited personally from our CPF. Roy is just finding a weird way into politics. He has his motives and agenda….and fooled all of you. If he goes into politics as plain Roy..? So all this hoo ha will ride him in strongly into politics with all your naive support and sympathies. This is his strategy. Just watch his moves.

  28. sean

    this shows that we are willing to pay 15,000 for a good show and for him to get thumped in court. though i disagree with lhl that he shouldnt use the legal system to remedy a political issue, roy just cannot fight with the legal system that he infringed down to the provisions of defamation. he did mutter untruths, he did call lhl a criminal. how to fight against someone who has clear strong evidence of your words? GGXX

    to have rich people, you must have the poorer idiots to willingly surrender their money

  29. Leon

    Why issue an apology then post it up on other social media platforms? Fighting it in court is just a really really dumb move. Can’t you apologise, let it be, and live to fight another day? This case is clearly stacked against you. You’re playing by their rules now, not yours.

  30. More food for thought

    Hi Roy

    Hope you are managing ok. Have you try to discuss with the other oppositions such as the Workers Party or SDP on how they can help you with your court case?

    Maybe they can help to contribute to your fund or hold a fund raising for you.

    • Dulan

      Because they know he’s fucked. This isn’t a political case, it’s a simple defamation suit. Maybe 5 years from now, when he’s not a bankrupt anymore, when he finally has the courage to say something again, just maybe WP will look for him

  31. JR Seow

    So if he doesnt get enough then he gets to keep the money? This death battle is like a smurf vs Thanos. Good luck my friend and i hope you guys dont expect the money to come back.

    • Trained PAP dogs here looks so cute

      I don’t think any donations is suppose to come back, for any cause. And I am pretty sure the donaters knows that logic too. So perhaps you are worrying a little too much

      • John Koh

        Trained PAP dogs….not so! Just good pedigree licking his ‘master’s’ wound unlike some pariah who bite his ‘master’s hand, then bark all over with his tail between his hind legs!

  32. Eddie

    For everybody who donated thinking that you will be able to see a showdown in court in regards to CPF. I highly doubt that much will be revealed since they are two different things altogether. This court case is not about the truth about CPF but rather it is about how much Roy will have to compensate LHL for insinuating that he is corrupted.

    Roy has already stated in an earlier post “The case will now essentially focus on a hearing involving assessment of damages since I have already apologised. It will ultimately involve cross-examination of the Prime Minister on the quantum of damages.”

    So basically Singaporeans are voluntarily paying for Roy’s loose tongue.

    Also I wonder what proportion of the fee is Roy contributing? Surely he do not expect Singaporeans to foot his entire legal fees for him as if he had stick to writing factual articles about CPF instead of relying on sensationalism and insinuations to gain more readers, LHL would not be able to sue him for anything.

    • Dulan

      Well, there are a lot of suckers in this world, and Roy’s doing the right thing with this initiative: milking them of their money.
      But of course, I can’t give him too much praise because he’s the one who dug his own grave.

      • I sense your insecurity

        Well sucker, you can always go ahead and praise your master for initiating this lawsuit and dig his own grave by defaming himself as a big bully.

      • Dulan

        It’s about teaching Roy a lesson. One does not simply accuse someone else of misappropriating money without evidence, and then call it fact, on a blog that has a decent readership and expect to get away with it. If a similar accusation had been directed at you, you would have every right to sue the other person for damages, no?

    • Trained PAP dogs here looks so cute

      Well, because of his so-called loose tongue, more and more people are questioning the efficiency of our CPF. Even member of the parliaments. You don’t see that often before do you? His actions has worth more than the donations contributions, so think most of the donaters don’t care if he doesn’t need to pay on his own. He may not be 100% right, but at least he is making us, who majority don’t dare to stand up against the government, heard. Then you say this legal suit is about him not about Cpf. But if he goes down, we got one less person to speak for us. Last but not least, the donaters are donating their own money, so no matter how much a problem you have with that, it’s really none of your business I think. Cheers.

      • trained roy nerng dogs looks even cuter

        Yeah. I am sure all Singaporeans do not have a brain before Roy Nerng came along. Even the oppositions such as Low Thia Khiang and Sylvia Lim do not even realise about all of this. Woohoo.

      • Eddie

        Oh I thought Roy ask us to question things and not just accept everything? So why can’t I ask these questions? I am not stopping any of you from donating, I am just merely stating my viewpoint just like you are stating your viewpoint.

  33. vinz

    Hmmm… actually this is the only website, other than LHL facebook, that has so many roy haters. Many website delicated to discuss politics seems to have more supporters of roy. These haters need to work harder to spam their hatred in other websites as well. Leave this place alone if everytime u read roy’s post boils ur blood.
    I also noticed these haters are kinda homophobic and also have the tendency to judge or look down on people with low education level.
    Peace out V

  34. Nubcakes

    I read most of the comments here, for people that disagree with his clause here you have not feel the terror of reaching 55 years old as a middle tier or lower tier income. You don’t know the pain of having almost 90~99% of your CPF’s savings get put aside as “retirement fee” and left only a few thousands or less to withdraw out.
    The “retirement fee” can’t be use for case of emergencies, or other needy uses then what’s the point? You don’t even know are you going to die next minute, hour, day, week, months, or year. Those “retirement fee” are just being wasted, you can’t do what you want with your own money after you retire, what’s the point of having money that you can’t touch?
    Why do government need to restrict you from withdrawing money from your own funds after you retire? It’s your own money why can’t you decided what you want to do with it? Why is there a need to have a control over our money?

    Even using your own CPF funds to pay for a flats and etc, withdrawing your funds to pay stuff you still need to credit back the original withdrawn amount + the interest loss. Ain’t this ridiculous? Why you need to pay for your own interest loss? Banks don’t charge you for withdrawing money on interest loss. Such lame policies, rules and everything. We need a change but why so many oppositions? People are being too comfortable in their current life that they are scare to change even a tiny little thing. Scare to go against the current government? No one said to go against them in direct frontal attacks, do it in a more legit way to confront their ideals.
    C’mon man when changes are needed, we must change.

    • kool

      Only to project based on general statistics how long you are going to live. There are so much talks about this, I would rather government thinks how long they can withdraw. But , if they used up all their funds, what are we going to do with these people? Get all the current tax payers to support them which puts the burden on your children? Are you willing to support these people who are not even your relatives who spent all their cpf money and now needed for medical/survival?

  35. blank

    Roy,

    The quick turn of events might have left you little time for proper planning and execution. For fund raising in your situation, please consider the following:

    1. Set up an escrow account, for the funds to be channeled into.
    2. Have the donations be managed by someone independent, rather than yourself.
    3. Establish a means for public to have a view of how you use the donated funds.

    Looking at some of your posts; accountability, transparency, as well as check and balance have been your battle calls. Take time to enforce these attributes in your funds-collection process.

  36. Swallow

    Good luck. My contribution will come soon. I forgot to keep the written down details of your account two days ago.

  37. COMMONER TAN

    i am sure most people already figured this out… but if anger made you click the ‘fund transfer’ button faster than you could think, here’s my 0.02 on how it will work out

    assuming legal fees are 70k, roy raises 100k, here are the choices roy has today and the outcomes
    1. do nothing, get sued and declare bankrupt
    fund flows: public 0k, lawyer 0k, roy 0k, PM/charity 0k
    2, raise money, get sued, fight a protracted battle but lose the case, perhaps also declare backrupt
    funds flow: public -100k, lawyer +70k, roy 0k, PM/charity +30k
    3. negotiate with PM, increase compensation, PM accepts, case closed. roy raises funds from public to pay, say 50k
    funds flow: public -50k, lawyer 0k, roy 0k, PM/charity +50k

    remember though that roy already said its a lost cause so i did not include a win scenario

    1 is clearly the best outcome, minimal spending but also guarantees roy has no more airtime
    so we go to 2 or 3.
    3 is next best outcome, we don’t know how much PM will accept because roy never initiated that conversation in the first place (beyond 5k). even if PM accepts an offer way beyond roy’s means, public will not donate because its akin to putting money in PM’s pocket, they would rather roy declare bankrupt
    so the choice defaults to 2, and its anyone’s guess who’s the winner. the more hours clocked, the higher the winnings 😉

    if you guys are expecting primetime entertainment from the case better adjust your expectations… don’t expect court papers to be published and court sessions to be aired.. all the more so given this is a civil suit and not criminal suit. anyway CPF has committed to coming out and answering some questions, why not take it from there?

    also, those who donated… now your political affiliation is crystal clear… all it takes is for POSB to pull the transaction records from roy’s account and submit to gahmen… all the best to you

    • COMMONER TAN

      Correction, I mean
      1. do nothing, get sued and declare bankrupt
      fund flows: public 0k, lawyer 0k, roy 0k, PM/charity 0k, me 1k
      2, raise money, get sued, fight a protracted battle but lose the case, perhaps also declare backrupt
      funds flow: public -100k, lawyer +70k, roy 0k, PM/charity +30k, me 1k
      3. negotiate with PM, increase compensation, PM accepts, case closed. roy raises funds from public to pay, say 50k
      funds flow: public -50k, lawyer 0k, roy 0k, PM/charity +50k, me 1k

    • Where the money goes

      thank you for summing it up.

      Ravi will advise client to get sued precisely because he will be 70k richer.

      Roy is going to be a confirmed bankrupt whatever the outcome.

      The donors will be poorer – but not to worry, we are just shifting money from angry retards into the pockets of lawyers and charities.

  38. Lamo

    Is the samseng pappy going to the threaten every donator life miserable after they found out from the POSB list? What a very good method to totally eliminate all the opposing voice in future. Their motto is u all shall “be afraid, be very very very afraid”!

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