Further Thoughts after the #ReturnOurCPF Protest

Hello everyone, I have written to YMCA last night to request for an opportunity to meet with the children with down syndrome and their parents, to meet with them and to find out how they are doing. I hope that we can have a chance to heal the wounds.

I have had a further think through of what has happened over the past few days. It has been hectic, I have learnt much and thought to share my thoughts here.

I started writing on this blog more than 2 years ago, in June 2012. What started me thinking was when Lee Hsien Loong had then compared Singapore with the Nordic countries and claimed that Singapore was doing as well as they did, or better, in terms GDP per capita and economic competitiveness. But I wanted to dig deeper to find out the truth for myself. I was not convinced.

Singapore vs Nordic Countries June 2012

And from what I found, I realised that even though for Singapore, the country as a whole is one of the richest in the world, but the wealth is very unequal. In fact, I realised that the inequality in Singapore is the highest among the developed countries and Singaporeans earn one of the lowest wages in the world.

That started me on my journey to wanting to find out what exactly is happening in Singapore – why is it that Singaporeans are so rich but Singaporeans are so poor?

I was shocked by how my first article went viral and how it was later picked up by The Online Citizen. I didn’t know it then, but deep down, among many Singaporeans, they already knew that things were not right. The PAP had then kept telling Singaporeans that Singapore was doing well, but deep down, Singaporeans already had a niggling suspicion that the government was not telling us the whole truth.

And when I dug up the statistics which clearly showed how in spite of the economic wealth that the PAP has garnered for itself, Singaporeans weren’t actually receiving the supposed “trickle-down effects” of the wealth that we should be getting.

The statistics convinced the people’s suspicions that the PAP was keeping the wealth for themselves, and preventing the wealth that Singapore should be earning (from Singaporeans’ labour) from reaching us.

I didn’t know then how PAP had prevented it, nor did I knew the PAP was preventing it from happening. Being the naive me then, I had hoped that if I could advocate to the PAP to return to Singaporeans our wealth, Singapore can become a better place.

And so I set up The Heart Truths. A friend helped me come out with the name, actually. I wanted to speak up about the truth and wanted it to come from the heart. And so, he suggested, why not The Heart Truths? And since then, I have been writing on this blog.

The Heart Truths

In the first few months that I was writing, I continued advocating to the PAP, hoping and believing that they would be reading my blog and would make the relevant changes to improve the lives of Singaporeans. A year after my writing, I was also informed that at least one PAP MP was reading my blog. I felt that perhaps, just perhaps our voices were being heard.

However, the more I read and learnt, I began to slowly realise that the PAP would not change.

As I learnt to analyse the PAP’s policies and to read between the lines, I realise that the PAP has come out with a systematic way of devising policies which would allow them to increase subsidies on one hand, but further increase the revenue they take from Singaporeans, so that whatever subsidies and payouts they give to Singaporeans would not come out from their own coffers but would be extracted from Singaporeans.

And thus they would always be able to gain political mileage and credit by claiming that they are giving back to Singaporeans, while making Singaporeans pay for the increases by ourselves. This shocked me.

But apparently this wasn’t new knowledge. It was new knowledge to me. But many Singaporeans already knew this – many Singaporeans whom have analysed things for themselves and some of them whom have left.

What I knew was already common knowledge to many Singaporeans. I was just one of the few who in my eagerness, wanted to put out what I had found out online.

 Return Our CPF 3 Poster Roy Ngerng text

It was about a year ago that I started speaking at protests. The first protest I spoke at was at the #FreeMyInternet protest to protest against the PAP from introducing regulations to prevent Singaporeans from being able to express our ideas on our blogs. I was concerned. If the PAP could stop me from sharing what I have learnt and found out, how else would I be able to let Singaporeans know what I had discovered? I wouldn’t be able to do so!

PAP would be able to continue to put out their own propaganda to mislead Singaporeans and I could not let that happen! So I spoke up.

And when Gilbert Goh invited me to speak at the third protest for the Singapore Population White Paper, I spoke as well. I decided that every speaking opportunity was an opportunity to allow more people to know.

By the end of last year, Ms Han Hui Hui and I decided that we could organise discussion sessions to create a space for Singaporeans so that we could invite speakers to provide facts and information, which would allow Singaporeans to be able to discuss, analyse and create solutions for ourselves.

So, we organised a workshop on education issues and held a forum on the tax structure in Singapore, which I spoke at as well.

Early this year, I embarked on several major discoveries of the Singapore economic and political system. In a 10-part joint article series that I wrote with Mr Leong Sze Hian, we discovered that Singaporeans are actually paying almost the same as what the Nordic citizens are paying in tax and social security/CPF to the government, but we get back considerably much lesser back from PAP and not only so, we have to fork out cash from our own pockets.

The next major macro-perspective article that I wrote was how the PAP had claimed to create policies to aid the growth of the economy, such as the Productivity and Innovation Credit, the Wage Credit Scheme and Foreign Worker Levies, but when you look at the impact of these, not only do they not have the propounded effects of economic recovery, the PAP was once again able to devise these policies in a way which would allow them to enrich their coffers.

In the third article which I had written with Singapore Singaporeans (whose Facebook account has since been closed down after the Internet Brigade (known to be set up by the PAP) launched an attack to get Facebook to close the account down, and many others as well), we exposed the CPF-HDB contraption where we discovered that when Singaporeans buy the HDB flat or a property with the CPF, we would also have to pay a little-known CPF accrued interest where by the time our flat reaches 30 years old, we would actually not only have to pay for the housing loan, we would have to fork out more than twice the price of the HDB flat. I was flabbergasted. The PAP has created a scheme which would allow them to earn several times over from our CPF. The article has since been viewed more than 450,000 times, according to WordPress.

In a fourth article that I wrote, I discovered to my horror that when you trace the PAP’s policies from 1984, a pattern can be seen where the PAP would systematically make Singaporeans double-pay into essential services such as healthcare, transport and education, which they control as well, such that they are able to earn from the double-paying from Singaporeans and systematically create debt for Singaporeans. It was horrendous.

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I need to give you this background because I need to let you understand my train of thought.

In the past half a year, I was able to find out the way the PAP was contorting the Singapore economy and how they have been systematically creating policies to earn from Singaporeans and to compromise on our livelihoods!

Last year, my learning convinced me that I had to speak up.

This year, my knowledge aroused my senses. This is not the way a government should treat its people! This is not the way a government should systematically marginalise the lives of the people. It is wrong.

After I wrote these macro-perspective articles, the law suit came.

Later on this year, I also wrote two more revealing and damning articles.

In the first article, I traced how the PAP had started using the CPF of Singaporeans to build the infrastructure of Singapore, but not only that, they continued to siphon off more and more of Singaporeans’ CPF to earn money via housing, healthcare and education, and which allowed them to earn via GIC and Temasek Holdings.

In the second article which I published last week, I summarised how the PAP has taken our money to use, to earn for themselves, and to enrich and benefit themselves.

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This year, I finally awoke to the idea that for your own freedoms, you have to fight for it. And thus I embarked on this fight to protest at the Hong Lim Park to #ReturnOurCPF to not only raise further awareness among Singaporeans about what I have discovered but to also demand for a change of government.

I was very worried. If Singapore continues under the PAP, not only will the lives of Singaporeans be at risk, Singapore as a whole will see our country’s future at stake. I couldn’t just sit down and wait. I had to speak up!

Some Singaporeans ask me – why do you stand up and speak when things won’t change? But if that is what we believe, then things will never change. The PAP is relying on Singaporeans feeling disempowered to keep themselves in power. By ensuring that Singaporeans work the longest hours in the world, earn the lowest wages among the highest-income countries and where 30% of Singaporeans have to spend more than what they earn and have to live in poverty, the PAP has been able to create a system that is able to keep Singaporeans feeling so squeezed that Singaporeans would be too fearful of our own lives to fight against the atrocities of the PAP.

But I believe. I believe that if you speak up, if you fight, at least we have a fighting chance and at least we will be able to take our country back from the PAP and start rebuilding our lives and to give our people, our children and our families a chance. At least then, we can start to put Singapore back on the right track so that we can have a chance to create the lives we want.

But do I have to do this? I don’t. When the lawsuit first came, some people told me to close down my blog and to run out of the country.

But I believe in staying true to myself and living to my conscience. I had to do what my heart tells me and I have to do what is right.

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Over these past few days, much has happened. It was emotionally surreal. I paused and questioned – what am I doing all these for?

I know what I could see. I know what I have learnt, discovered and confirmed from other people who have studied the system or have the inside knowledge, that Singapore was heading towards a collapse under the PAP’s control. However, some friends were still resistant to what I shared with them – I am too busy with my life, I have a property to upkeep, what about my $10,000 salary, they ask?

It is perhaps sad that the PAP has managed to create a system whereby many of us believe that we have too much to lose – our HDB, our CPF etc, so much so that we are not ready to speak up, not knowing that the very things that we are scared to lose – CPF, HDB etc – is also what they have created to earn from us. We are slaves without knowing it, or without admitting to it.

Thus when the PAP was once again able to use the media to deride my character, I was disappointed. I was disappointed not so much because of what has been done to my character – that doesn’t matter. Our lives and reputation matter only as much as to the ego we attach to them. At the end of the day, it is what we do and our (real) honesty that truly matters.

But I was disappointed – I was disappointed that in spite of our knowing that the PAP would use the mainstream media to so easily discredit and malign those whom they deem as their opponent and political threat that Singaporeans would still so easily lap it up. I was disappointed because for the past 50 years, they have been able to use their propaganda to work the system for their own benefit and social engineer a Singaporean mindset in their favour, and it looks like things have still not changed.

So, I asked myself – what am I doing all these for?

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I still don’t have an answer.

At the end of the day, my life, my character and my reputation does not matter. I have long stopped to worry about what people think of me for I know who I am deep within and I hold on to my values and ethics through and through. The PAP can disfigure my personality but they cannot hurt my soul.

It doesn’t matter what people think about me. At the end of the day, my goal has always been clear – one day, we have to stand up and fight for ourselves so that we can fight for our own lives and create the live we want for ourselves.

If I fall, I am only one person, but the rest of Singapore and Singaporeans have to fight. It doesn’t matter if I lose, but it matters that Singaporeans would take up the mantle and stand up for ourselves. Will you?

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I just cannot sit back and let things go, without trying. I cannot allow such treachery to our people when the PAP is able to make Singaporeans pay $66 billion into Medisave but only give us back 1.3%. I cannot do it when the PAP makes Singaporeans pay enough in fares to cover the operating expenses for the transport operators while make us pay tax as well – where did the tax go? I just cannot sit back when the PAP would take $400 million of our taxpayers’ money to give to international students to come to Singapore to study, accumulate more than $400 million in surpluses in the public universities, yet make Singaporeans pay $400 million by ourselves to study in the public universities. I simply cannot sit back when the PAP buys our land cheaply but would now make us pay for land for 60% of the flat price, so much so that we have to max out our CPF, and yet while the PAP claim that the HDB is losing $1 billion every year, they have actually earned $74 billion over the past 6 years from land sales.

It doesn’t feel right to not speak up when the PAP takes our CPF to give to GIC to earn 6% but only give us back 3% and it feels even more wrong when whatever the GIC manages could actually all be our CPF and the interest that is not returned. And if so, there is no ethical or moral right for the PAP to keep the interest and our money without returning it!

You see, after all these, I could not sit and not fight. We could not allow the PAP to tell Singaporeans that we cannot protest or we will arrest you or we will sue you. They do so because they knew that if you did protest, if you did fight, their whole structure would unravel. What they have built for themselves, to earn from it, will unravel. And they cannot afford to let you do that.

It is your lives or theirs. And they have chosen. And it is not yours.

My question to Singaporeans now is this – what will you do? I am ready to take a backseat when I am not needed. Who am I anyway? I am nobody. But the lives of everyone in Singapore matters. Every person who would stand up for our own rights mean winning for every person. Every person who stands up would add up to many who will be able to fight for our own lives.

When will Singaporeans decide to stand up and fight for ourselves? At the end of the day, it is up to you to decide, whether there is too much at stake now or if there will be too much at stake if we don’t fight now.

Return Our CPF Protest March The Straits Times

Photo credit: The Straits Times

Two years ago, I set out wanting to write and to let more Singaporeans know what was going on. I hope that I have been able to achieve what I had set out to do. Today, there are nearly 4 million views on my blog. I hope that I have done my part for as well and as far as I can. I have made some mistakes, and there is much I need to learn. I thank everyone for being with me every step of the way and in supporting me on this journey.

I will continue to fight in whatever I can or whatever way matters to the people. Perhaps we might one day understand that change will come not when one or two fight but when all of decide to stand and to what is right for ourselves and for our lives. Change comes not by waiting for the fight of one man to succeed but for the fight of all to make that one success.

I do not care about my reputation or character. That does not matter. But what I care about is that the lives of others are treated right and we get a fair chance at living the lives we want. It’s up to you as well, my friends.

Photos credit: Tan Yunyou

499 comments

  1. Ah Teo

    不要想会见孩子啦,连他们的导演都找不到那些孩子们啦, 他们给每个孩子发完钱,就回家开始制造连续剧啦,

    醒醒吧,他们会关心不是他们自己的孩子吗 ? 过去都不关心,突然27日关心,搞笑效果太低级啦。

    要么,请国际媒体采访孩子,谁安排的 ? 每个小时给多少钱,什么时候通知的,是否在慧慧定了场地之后 ? 行动党有没有拿人家的孩子,当童工待遇 ?

    • Alan Tan

      You think you are helping Roy by writing such a nonsense? More like u are making us to dislike him more!

      Even your running dogs are not helping you! You are doomed!

      • taxer

        If Singapore have the law of revoke the citizenship, the first revocation is the greedy family , who lose our country 400 billion USD — Lee Hsien Loong, send him inside an hell.

    • Stop all the nonsensical act!

      After the Hong Lim Park incident, you have finally made the whole Singapore woke up to see how lowly you are. You claimed that you are fighting for Singaporean but what have you done with those children?

      Teaming up with Han Hui Hui is a crap. From what I understand, she is a malaysian, only converted to be a Singaporean a few years back. If Singapore is really that bad a place to live in, why did she in the first place convert to be a Singaporean? That’s 200% CRAP!

      Despite warning from NPark and Police, you still go ahead with the march and that goes to show how lowly you are. Some claim that the YMCA event was a whole setup. That’s not true! Let’s assume that it is…. by stepping into it, it goes to show how stupid you are!!!!!! I wonder how can such a stupid person challenge the PAP. I really pity those who have donated money to you previously. Their intention was to help you get over with the case with PM Lee and not have you start all these crappy stuffs.

      What’s your real objective in trying to stir up all these trouble in Singapore? What’s the hidden agenda? If it’s the CPF money that you want to get back, I do hope that the government can make a one time exemption, return all the CPF money that you and Han Hui Hui have in there and get out of Singapore.

      Singaporeans are looking for Opposition Party with substance and a crappy person like you. Please…. for the sake of fellow Singaporean, stop creating all these nonsensical act.

    • KKK

      ah Teo, why u stop your english broadcast? google translate did not work? remember karma, do some good deeds donate some money good for your soul and your future generations.

      have time go and use your hand to do some decent work make some $$. stop being a leech.
      i wish u well

  2. N

    “I do not care about my reputation or character. That does not matter.”

    This statement speaks volumes about the type of person you are. There’s not even an ounce of remorse about the events at Hong Lim Park in the whole of this super long-winded essay. No wonder even people who supported you previously are turning against you.

    • Harris, B.

      Dear N,

      People who are confident usually disregard others perception of them and they do what they believe to be right even if they are being ridicule or criticize. According to your response to Mr Ngerng, it is clear that you care about what others say of you and I wonder if you are aware of your low self-esteem. It is important for you to understand that there are people who will like and approve of you, whereas some will think you are in the wrong no matter what you do. Therefore I suggest that you do not measure yourself by the standards of others. Although building of self-confidence is a challenging process, it is worth the effort as you will effectively deal with unreasonable criticism and develop a level of tolerance towards ostracism. Ultimately, we only have one life and it is vital that we live for ourselves and not for others.

      Regards,
      Harris B.

      • N

        Dear Harris,

        Character is an innate trait that describes the type of person you are, including mental and moral qualities. It is not dependent on what other people think of you. When Roy says he does not care about his character, he is saying that he does not care about his morals. Would you want to follow a leader who doesn’t care about morals?

        Thanks for your response and have a nice day.

        Regards,
        N.

  3. Ah Teo

    Do not try to meeting with children , even those screenplay director also don’t know where children are now. they give each child a bit allowance, after finished . they went back home began manufacturing TV series la.

    Wake up, Roy !
    they never care about children? in the past 50 years, never care our children, suddenly on the 27 Sept, they start to care ?

    funny effect of low-level PAP !

    shall let the international media interviews those children, who arranged them ? How much money pay per child per hour there ?when notified them , is before Huihui or after ? did PAP treat the children as the child laborer ?

    如果在行动党周末把孩子当成童工,这也问题就严重了。
    If the PAP at the weekend treated children as child labor, which is a serious problem.

  4. Don't give up!!

    What you did was not illegal but it was rude…uncalled for…not a gracious thing to do. You made a mistake, apologies..make amend and move on. You must never give up and let them win!!

      • Lam

        Maybe the fact that the protesters shouted and marched into the area that was used for YMCA event?

        If you don’t agree that’s rude and disrespectful, it’s like saying your next door neighbour can march into your house while playing the drum.

  5. Ah Teo

    审计淡马锡, 财富本来就是来源于人民,应该回归于人民,
    把利息拿出来分配给每个孩子, 每月300新币最低生活费,比在这里叫喊爱孩子更具体

  6. Ah Teo

    Audit Temasek , wealth was originally derived from the people, and should return to the people, Out of the profit assigned to each child, the monthly subsistence minimum 300 SGD, is more specific love children than screaming in here

  7. Cooper

    TLDR: This incident is not my fault so there is nothing for me to apologise for. I am a victim of treachery by the evil PAP, those people who criticize my actions at Hong Lim Park are being fooled by the government media. I will bravely continue on my journey of martyrdom for a better future for Singapore.

  8. Andreas

    You’re a fucking insensitive twat, you know that? People are getting shot in the Middle East for refusing to leave their homes, others are getting gassed in Hong Kong to ensure their democratic way of life is not disrupted and you have Tamil refugees on Christmas Island being detained for 2 years simply for wanting to have a better life.

    And then there’s you. This latest spew of drivel-shit-vomit you call a blog and your way of life. I know exactly the kind of dipshit you are. You’ve never had a moment of somebody-giving-a-shit, or had anyone take you seriously. At work everyone knows you as the shitbag who talks too much and yet doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. You take a series of minor figures based on CPF spending, conflate them, mix them up with general nonsensical humdrum about the Government that you can’t even back up, and was pleasantly surprised when other twats responded.

    You had fame and recognition and you couldn’t let go of that oh-so-sweet feeling of being valued. Yeah nimrod, that’s the feeling most people have on a daily basis because they’re not retarded. But at first you were just a noisy little parade boy blowing your own trumpet. I got no problem with that – it’s called free speech and having an opinion. In fact I rather support it.

    But now you’ve moved on from opinion and bullshit arguments and into fact; and that fact is that you’re an insensitive and ignorant little gnome who would happily crush what happy moments those less fortunate than us are able to have. That’s a fact, shit-for-brains. Calling yourself a fighter of justice because you have some badly taken photos superimposed with the flag is NOT a fact.

    That’s right motherfucker. I’m so pissed right now I’ve let go of any rhyme, reason or control from the verbiage I’m spilling forth on your filth of a blog. The fact that you can run around like a retarded karang guni man who’s had one too many around LITTLE FUCKING KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS means you don’t deserve due consideration from the rest of us. Because there’s a minister there, then there must be a connection to the Government? ARE YOU OFF YOUR GODDAMNED ROCKER? Ministers are human beings you flea-brained scum, they get to do shit that have nothing to do with their jobs. So if PM Lee takes a dump in a toilet in an Orchard Road mall, are you going to claim the plumbing there’s draining away your fucking CPF to the PAP?

    Learn some fucking logic you dicktwat. Yeah you’re so bad you deserve both genitals. If I had a gun with 3 bullets and Adolf, Stalin and you, I’d shoot you 3 motherfucking times.

    Fuck you.

    • Laine Tay

      “You had fame and recognition and you couldn’t let go of that oh-so-sweet feeling of being valued. ”
      Why so jealous? Don’t like it, don’t read and STFU.

      • R

        Dear Laine,

        It’s not that he’s jealous. When people do shit like the worthless human being called Roy Nger.. whatever his name is. People get angry. It’s in human nature to be curious. People like you who side with this twat are either taking the government for granted and expecting them to serve you like slaves, or are lazy worthless people that want their livelihoods to be served to them without having to work. The government may be evil in your eyes but they are doing what they deem best for the country, and if you can’t except that, then you can always fuck off and go to hell ( it’s a legit town ) and live the rest of your sad life there. I am ashamed that there are people like you and this Roy trash living in the country where i was born and raised. To conclude, if you’re not happy, migrate and shut up.

        Regards,

        R

    • Ah Teo

      Andreas ?
      The Oracle ?
      You’re a fucking on yourself.

      1)
      ” you call a blog and your way of life ? ”
      — when the people have no way out, blog is our life .

      2)
      “Calling yourself a fighter of justice because you have some badly taken photos superimposed with the flag is NOT a fact.”

      — that fact is, PM Lee have huge money inside his account , we have zero in the whole life, PM Lee owed us . CPF must return us !

      3).
      I’m so pissed right now
      — you just pissed at moment, we had been pissed for every 365 days . day by day, years by years , who care ?

      4).

      too many around LITTLE FUCKING KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS ?
      — special needs in Hong Lim Park ? the best says that you are in the special needs from those innocence kids. You are forcing children to work for you, You brought kids to adult venue. You openly treated children are child labor.

      5)
      Because there’s a minister there, then there must be a connection to the Government?
      — of course ! definately , undoubtedly ! the black hand is government !

      6)
      Ministers are human beings
      — we think so, but sometime they are stupid, did the 27th’s foolish thing , but they are fear of help people . that was sad .thus we people must help each other

      7)

      they get to do shit that have nothing to do with their jobs. So if PM Lee takes a dump in a toilet in an Orchard Road mall, are you going to claim the plumbing there’s draining away your fucking CPF to the PAP?

      — Simply, I want to get back to our CPF at 55 years old, We want to audit Temasek, We want to protect our children not to be bullied by a family. can you make it ? if no, stop verbiage.

      8)
      Learn some fucking logic you dicktwat. Yeah you’re so bad you deserve both genitals. If I had a gun with 3 bullets and Adolf, Stalin and you, I’d shoot you 3 motherfucking times.

      Fuck you.

      —- If we had a gun with 3 bullets and Adolf, Stalin and you, I’d shoot you 3 motherfucking times too !

      Fuck you !

      • I hv another stomach ache

        Who cares if u are angry. U are a loser. Who cares if u hv no money?

        Piece of shit. Get a job or two. Get real. No one worth u a living. Fu

  9. WP

    Andreas, cool it. What Roy did is insensitive and uncalled for, period. Roy, I posted a few replies. I personally believe you are just over passionate about your beliefs. But like I said earlier, please pause and think, there is a lot of good points about the CpF, HDB, medisave etc etc yes they do need a tweak here and there to fine tune it. Please do not be an extremist. And yes, please stop mixing and ruining your life with HHH. She does not deserve to be offer the citizenship while you are a true blue Singaporean

  10. Ah Teo

    The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Convention on the Rights of the Child) by the 44th United Nations General Assembly Resolution 25, 20 November 1989 .

    So that between the ages of 5-14 years old children engaged in child labor, forced to work in dangerous environments or conditions, not voluntary, but was forced to arrange things for adults, affecting children receive education. Committing crime in international law is abusive child labor.

    On the 27th, the children’s organizers, forcing the children to adult ‘s things, alleged violations of the United Nations Children’s Protection Act. Hope that the international organizations to investigate his background and intentions.

    联合国儿童权利公约(Convention on the Rights of the Child)由1989年11月20日第44届联合国大会第25号决议通过。该公约旨为世界各国儿童创建良好的成长环境.

    让年龄在5到14岁之间的儿童从事童工劳动,被迫在危险的环境或者条件下工作,不是出于自愿, 而是被迫安排替大人做事,影响儿童接受教育。在国际法中是触犯虐待童工罪。

    27日,孩子们的主办人, 强迫孩子为大人做事,涉嫌侵犯联合国儿童保护法 。 希望国际组织调查他的背景和意图,

  11. Laine Tay

    Aya. Down Syndrome children do not even know if they are attending a party of funeral lah. Why should YMCA make a hoo-ha? Did someone steal their speakers or did someone try to stop YMCA event there? Did someone stop YMCA the way they stopped #returnmycpf ?

  12. I hv another stomach ache

    Talk cock sing song. U do not speak for me and I do not need yr bull shits.

    U have crossed the lkne.You are a loser, like hhh and your fellowers are worst.

    Pl continue to pursue yr moronic ideals. Have u ever wondered why no opposition has even supoorted u? I will be frank with u. U TALK COCK AND SING SONG.

  13. Please lah

    As I said earlier, imagine you have booked the void deck for your wedding ceremony and sent invitation to all your guests. Then on your big day, out of the blue, you found a coffin at the place where you will set the stage. The town council did not tell you there will be a funeral and you have to shift to one corner. Would you not kick up a ruckus?

    • cooper

      This is not a good analogy at all. A wedding and funeral analogy would mean PAP rally and CPF protest held side by side. What has the event organised by YMCA got to do with politics at all?

      Besides even if you got the rights to that area, does that give you the permission to behave in such a childish and disrespectful manner? Especially from two people who claim to want to represent the ordinary Singaporeans in our fight against PAP.

      • Please lah

        The protest march was planned one month before hand. The YMCA set their tentage all over the field, preventing their march. If you do not respect democracy, don’t expect people to respect your rights.

        Now imagine your wedding venue being overrun and now your parade being blocked by condolence blankets and flowers. Trust me, you will kick up a ruckus too.

    • cooper

      Like I say this is not a valid analogy at all. So stop using the wedding and funeral analogy.

      The protest march was planned one month ahead but the event was planned months ahead. Each event have their own field so what gives them the right to march to the YMCA event and make a ruckus there? Give me one reason that can justify their childish and immature behaviour when they could have act more graciously. A leader should never act in such a childish and immature behaviour

      • Please lah

        Please lah, like I said, the protesters were only assigned to a corner half an hour before start of event. They were given the whole field on all previous protests.

        If the town council tell you you had only a corner of the void deck on the day of your wedding, wouldn’t you kick up a ruckus?

      • cooper

        But they were still assigned to their own area. It’s not as though they were banned from Hong Lim Park. So why are they barging into other organiser area? Especially when that organiser is not holding an event that is antagonistic to the protesters.

        “They were given the whole field on all previous protests” What sort of excuse is this? Just because they had the whole field previously means they are forever entitled to the whole field for their protest? Are you trying to add selfishness to the list of bad qualities such as immaturity, disrespectful that the protesters exhibit?

        So still no valid reason that can justify their childish and immature behaviour when they could have act more graciously?

        If I elaborate on this analogy that you keep harping on, I already knew months ahead that there is going to be another wedding held under the same void deck as my wedding, so why should I be surprise that I have to share the area with the other wedding? Especially when I submit my request much later than the other party.

      • Please lah

        Please lah. Obviously you fail to read up the facts. Fact is, the protesters only manage to find out that there is another group the day before the event. Fact is, the protesters only know they were allocated a small corner half an hour before the event. Get your facts right first before commenting, else it will make you look stupid.

      • cooper

        So out of my whole comment you just decided to harp on that which is part of the analogy?

        What about a valid reason that can justify their childish and immature behaviour when they could have act more graciously?

        What about “They were given the whole field on all previous protests” What sort of excuse is this? Just because they had the whole field previously means they are forever entitled to the whole field for their protest? Are you trying to add selfishness to the list of bad qualities such as immaturity, disrespectful that the protesters exhibit?

      • please leh

        Please leh. You put delicious food in front of pig. Of course the pig will confirm eat the food la. So how can you blame Roy Ngerng for his actions!

      • Please lah

        Hi cooper, your comment is already out of context since your facts are already wrong. There is no need to comment on speculation. Whatever prejudices you have against the protesters are built on wrong information you receive. For that, I, on behalf of the protesters, forgive you for your childishness and immaturish behaviour. If you have followed the videos here instead of reading the “right news”, you would have come to a different conclusion. Please grow up and be more mature. Get your facts right first before arguing, else it will just make you look silly.

      • cooper

        I do not need your forgiveness. By the way you are still conveniently ignoring my questions. Surely it’s not my imagination or speculations that Roy and the protesters crashed the YMCA area while shouting away or that you said “They were given the whole field on all previous protests.” Speculations is whether HHH really knew one day before hand, only she knows, since its not exactly a secret that YMCA is holding an event at Hong Lim Park. But that is speculation so since it is not based on cold hard facts and before you start nitpicking on it, just ignore that I say it.

        So once again how about commenting on the points below instead of going out of context as well by rambling about forgiveness.

        What about a valid reason that can justify their childish and immature behaviour when they could have act more graciously?

        What about “They were given the whole field on all previous protests” What sort of excuse is this? Just because they had the whole field previously means they are forever entitled to the whole field for their protest? Are you trying to add selfishness to the list of bad qualities such as immaturity, disrespectful that the protesters exhibit?

      • Meiling

        Well said, Please lah. I would expect the YMCA christians to be gentlemen to negotiate the space instead of bull-dozing the CPF group with their tents all over the shop when NParks did not even properly allocate them until 1/2 hour before start of event.

        @cooper, please read again. It is clear the NParks never inform them that there would be another group using the space. It is also clear that YMCA had occupy the space forcefully without negotiating with the CPF group and NParks had not make such allocation known until half an hour before the event.

        It is selfish and immature of you not to read the facts properly before shooting your mouth.

      • Cooper

        Nice of you as well to ignore my question which I have been repeating. So in case you did not read properly as well. I shall repeat it for you.

        What valid reason can there be to justify their childish and immature behaviour when they could have act more graciously?

      • Meiling

        You need to put things in proper perspective as your accusation of childish and immaturity is neither a legal issue, nor is it justified. There can be nothing more serious than fighting for democracy. Compared to Hong Kong, the CPF protesters should be praised for their considerate behaviour. Instead of disrupting the special children performance, they choose to walk away as soon as they realise what is going on at the stage.

      • cooper

        Once again you are avoiding the question. I don’t see why is my question not justified. How a person behaves tell loads about a person character.

        “There can be nothing more serious than fighting for democracy.” What nonsense is this? Are you trying to say that in the fight for democracy people can behave without any decency, respect or maturity? Well for your information, the end does not justify the means.

        So once again why can’t you give me a reason to justify the immature and disrespectful behaviour?

      • Please lah

        @cooper, what Meiling said is correct. Instead of behaving disrespectful, the protesters walked away from the stage as soon as the YMXA organiser released the children onto the stage. You have no case to complain. Instead, you should question why YMXA release the children there and then. Are they being malicious? Who is the inconsiderate party. I leave that for decerning readers to decide.

      • Lam

        @please lah, meiling. What you both have been saying is ridiculous. It’s like I punch someone in the face and I get a pat on the back and get praised for not murdering him.

        Hello!!!! crashing another event and making a lot of noise is wrong regardless of whatever good deeds they do before or after.

      • cooper

        @Please lah, Bravo, you can type out a whole chunk of words but yet manage to avoid answering my questions?

        Sorry even if they left once the children start performing, the fact is that they still barged into another event and caused a ruckus. That to me is already a disrespectful behaviour. By the way, they did not left the area quietly. If they were truly trying to be respectful, they should have stopped the shouting and walked away quietly. But what did they do? Roy continued to shout into the microphone while walking away and this is when the performance was starting.

        So why don’t you answer these two questions?

        1) What about a valid reason that can justify their childish and disrespectful behaviour when they could have act more graciously?

        2) What about “They were given the whole field on all previous protests” What sort of excuse is this? Just because they had the whole field previously means they are forever entitled to the whole field for their protest? Are you trying to add selfishness to the list of bad qualities such as immaturity, disrespectful that the protesters exhibit?

      • Please lah

        @ cooper, you don’t seem to get it. Your accusations are unfounded, therefore there is no need to answer.

        For example, you point to a cat and ask me why is it a dog? What answer do you expect from me? I already say it is a cat but you insist it is a dog and ask me why it is a dog? You get the idea?

      • Please lah

        @ Lam, similar to cooper, you are making false accusations here. Fact is, the YMCA group did not negotiate the space but forcefully occupy it. It was only half an hour before start that NPark make such allocation known to the parties involved. The animosity created by the emcee with his heckling of the CPF group also plays a part. They say the coin has two sides. You are only basing your comments from one sided media report.

      • Lam

        Negotiate what space, forcefully occupy? You behaved as though they were forced to stand on the road for their protest. They were allocated a space each. Furthermore HHH refuses to go to their space by giving a ridiculous reason of there is nobody there now and that they will go there when there are people there. But if you continue to speak where you are standing, why would people go to the empty space?

        HHH knew that YMCA was organising an event there at least one day before. Surely she did not assume that she will still have the entire park and that the YMCA event would be held on a floating platform above Hong Lim Park. Furthermore, it is basic human decency and respect to let the event continue without any ruckus for the less privileged. There is a place and time to complain and that’s not the place or time when there are innocent people involved.

        Regardless of whatever intimidation or heckling by YMCA, that is still no excuse to behave in such a manner. If you stoop to the same level as them, then you are no better than them and have no right to behave in just a righteous manner.

      • Lam

        Oh yeah what false accusations did I make. I just say they crashed the YMCA event and make a lot of noise as seen in the video. How is that false?

      • Please lah

        @ Lam, I already said that the space allocation was only made known to the party involved half an hour before the start. Your point that HHH knew one day before the event that YMCA is using the space does not dispute what I have said. Sharing of space is something that should be done by two parties. Fact is, YMCA took the main plot by force instead of negotiate. So, your other point about consideration should also apply to YMCA, but you choose to ignore and instead direct your vitriol at the disadvantaged CPF group. Ironic for someone who keep harping on this point.

      • Please lah

        @ Lam, the false accusation here is that you accuse them for creating trouble, but fact is, the animosity stage is set when YMCA took the main plot by force. Fact is, the CPF group is being heckled by the emcee. Fact is, the march within Hong Lim park was planned months ago. Fact is, the CPF group is only told they can have a corner of the park on the day of the event. Fact is, the group of protesters walk off as soon as they realise that the special children were released onto the stage. To ignore all these facts and then make false accusations without understanding the background makes your case look filmsy.

      • please hor

        @please lah

        Where is the viral video that the emcee chanted we love CPF ? Or did he chant “Come, Lai Lai, CPF Money, I love you”? Sorry I not sure what exactly the emcee said cos I keep hearing different versions from people who claimed they were at hong lim park.

        Anyway quick tell me what is the url cos I want to share with my facebook friends so that we can spread the gospel truth about Roy Ngerng instead of the outlandish lies that is currently viral. It is simply mind boggling why people cannot believe Roy Ngerng version of the events.

      • please hor

        I mean he wrote so long a blog post leh. How can someone write so long and film a video if he is not telling the truth and nothing but the truth.

        I believe must be the PAP IB who secretly hacked into everyone social media account and start this anti-roy ngerng attack. Otherwise everyone sure confirm support and believe roy ngerng version. Sneaky and cunning! but luckily we are not so stupid to fall into that trap!

      • Lam

        I said they crashed the YMCA event and make a lot of noise. If this is false, are you saying they did not march into YMCA area and make a lot of noise and while leaving the area, continued to chant loudly?

        All your other facts are just justifications, that they were provoked into doing that childish action. Like I say, regardless of the provocations they could have been the bigger person by complaining about it in a more gracious manner and showed everybody that they truly deserve to represent ordinary Singaporeans. Otherwise your justification will just make me think of the saying an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind and this will never help Singaporeans in moving towards a better future.

      • cooper

        My accusations are unfounded? If encroaching into YMCA area and making lots of noise is not a childish and disrespectful behaviour, I shudder to think what is your definition of childish and disrespectful. Even thought you keep saying that they marched away when the children appeared on stage, which I fully agree, it is not the heckling the news make it out to be, but please do not make the action of walking away sound so righteous as they did not walked away quietly when the performance started. They continued to SHOUT into a microphone while marching away.

        As for my second question, I am just asking you to elaborate on a sentence which you said. So once again, how is it unfounded?

      • Meiling

        @Lam, what’s wrong with making noise? Protest is supposed to be a noisy affair. What’s wrong with matching into YMCA area? The field is supposed to be shared. Only YMCA can make noise is it? Only YMCA can chat is it? Only YMCA can be childish is it?

      • Meiling

        @cooper, making noise is a crime is it? Only YMCA can make noise and be childish is it? Only YMCA can afford to be disrespectful is it? I shudder at your childish accusations. I also hear a lot of shouting by the Emcee.. He chanted “We love CPF”. Come lai lai, CPF money, I love you.

      • cooper

        No, making noise is not a crime, but making noise when you are in the YMCA area is wrong.

        All of your other points are just excuses. Morally, does those excuses allow you to behave in such a childish and disrespectful manner in a tit for tat manner? Isn’t that what children do, not fully grown adults? You could have make the best out of a bad situation by showing maturity, graciousness and intelligence. But all it does is shown selfishness and a lack of maturity and intelligence.

      • Please lah

        Thanks Meiling. Yes, @ cooper, there is nothing morally or legally wrong with making loud noises at HLP. The park does not belong to YMCA alone, but all Singaporeans. If you must point a finger, the culprit should be YMCA, which is sorely lacking in consideration when planning for their “special” activity.

        Hong Lim park is widely known as THE designated place to MAKE LOUD NOISE. If YMCA people can use their tiny brain a bit, it is not hard to imagine people waving flag and shouting with loudspeakers to protest on typical Saturday. To be fair, please direct your anger and blame YMCA for being selfish and lacking maturity and intelligence when doing their planning of activities. Please also blame NParks for not taking the nature of the events into consideration when approving the permit.

        By targeting the vulnerable CPF group, you are again showing your selfishness and lack of maturity and intelligence to differentiate right from wrong.

      • Please lah

        Moreover, YMCA is also making loud noises with their speakers blasting at full power. If they think that their “special” kids would be frightened by loud noises, all the more they should lower down their own speakers. Better still, they should conduct their performance at their own premises, like the YMCA HQ building instead of crowding out normal Singaporeans with special needs to protest legally about their CPF on a Saturday afternoon.

      • please hor

        meiling and please lah

        Why you two keep ignoring my requests for the url? Why are you forsaking your fellow believers of the truth. I want to have the correct video from the correct sources so that I can propagate the truth and nothing but the truth.

        We must show the PAP IB who is truly in the wrong!

      • cooper

        Blame YMCA, blame NParks, blame everybody except the protesters. Fighting the PAP means your actions will always be right. The usual moral or legal rules will never apply to you people. I don’t care if you make a lot of noise in your designated area. You can go and shout until the cows come home in YOUR designated area and nobody will scold you. Also it’s less about scaring the children, it’s more about the basic expectation of respect and politeness you would expect from fully grown mature adults.

        It does not matter whatever the cause. A wrong action is a wrong action. It is like saying I leave my door open, you can come in and steal things and you are not in the wrong. This is the most ridiculous reasoning I have ever seen.

        Lastly mind explaining what’s up with the latest video which show Roy standing and waving the flag while HHH shout when the children were already on stage performing for awhile. Surely the protesters are not that blind or deaf.

      • Please lah

        @ cooper, you are the one who started blame mother blame father. I am just reminding you that when you point a finger at the protesters, there are 3 other fingers pointing back at you. Don’t start the blame game if you don’t want people to return the blame unto you. As mentioned earlier, the park is designated for protest, not for special children to perform. If you have special needs, make sure you find an appropriate place to perform. Don’t blame mother and blame father for your own failure to look after your own kids. As a parent, I won’t put my kid in danger. I wonder why YMCA cannot think for the children and now come and blame others. At the minimum, they could have prevented the kids to enter the stage if they think these children cannot expose to protest.

      • cooper

        Really? I am just asking why are the protesters behaving in such a childish and disrespectful manner.

        You and Meiling started blaming the protesters behaviour on NPark and YMCA etc. But all those provocations does not mean that you HAVE to behave in that manner. That is what I have been trying to say but you don’t seem to get it. There is always the choice of behaving in a mature and gracious manner which unfortunately the protesters failed to do so.

        But you say Hong Lim Park is for all Singaporeans, so aren’t other Singaporeans allowed to organise events in Hong Lim Park? I can’t say for other people, but I have never said anything about danger to the children before, all I have been saying ad nauseam are the childish and disrespectful manner of the protesters who should have known better.

        The excuse of moving off when the protesters saw the children is invalid by the way since the video showed the protesters chanting and waving the flag and marching towards the stage again while performance was going on for awhile. So I should praise them for this “considerate behaviour” as Meiling said?

      • Please lah

        @ cooper, you seem to have a knack of arguing in circles and repeating the same question over, and over, and over again like a broken tape recorder. Quoting what I have already written earlier and stated a few times since replying to your comments:

        there is nothing morally or legally wrong with making loud noises at HLP. The park does not belong to YMCA alone, but all Singaporeans. If you must point a finger, the culprit should be YMCA, which is sorely lacking in consideration when planning for their “special” activity.

        Unless you don’t understand plain simple English or your brain capacity has already reached its upper limit, I do not see the point of repeating what I have already said. Nobody is stopping YMCA from organizing activities at the park. If they have special needs, then please book the entire park or move the event elsewhere where it won’t be disturbed.

        The logic is very simple. If you need a quiet environment to study or do your homework, please go to the library. Do not bring your tutorials to a rock concert and then tell everyone to shut up.

      • cooper

        Yes I do tend to have a knack of repeating when people don’t get it despite me saying it numerous times or ignore my questions.

        As I have also stated before, there is nothing wrong with making noise, I am not complaining about the protesters making noise, that is fairly normal for a protest. I am complaining about the fact that they caused a ruckus in the YMCA event area. Had the protesters make noise in the field they were allocated to and did not march to the YMCA event area, I would not care or bother.

        But the fact is they did not shout in their own area. The ruckus occurred in the area used for the YMCA event not in the field allocated to the protesters. Marching into another event and with HHH walking close to the stage, screaming into the loudhailer not once but several times. That is the problem.

        Where is the considerate behaviour shown by the protesters for other people as claimed by Meiling?

      • Meiling

        As please lah say. The park does not belong to YMCA. If YMCA has been considerate enough to negotiate the space instead of taking it by force, all these issues can be avoided.

      • cooper

        Negotiate? Did the protesters have the horrible choice of either protesting in the drain or marching into YMCA area? Did YMCA force them at gunpoint to march into YMCA area?

        Just as the park does not belong to YMCA, neither does it belong to the protesters. They each had their own area to do their own event in.

        How about the protesters behaved graciously and respectfully like the adults they physically appear to be so that these issues can be avoided?

      • Please lah

        I have already mentioned and the point repeated by Meiling that YMCA failed to be considerate by not negotiating the space earlier on. The NParks director came in only 30 minutes before the start of event to “allocate” the space. The original plan for the protesters is to march across Hong Lim Park, within the designated legal boundary. YMCA laid their tentage in a manner which forces the marchers to march past the aisle in front of the stage. The park does not belong to YMCA, so what is wrong matching through the area? YMCA can also march through the protester area. It is a shared space after all.

        You keep harping about graciousness and respect but your persistent blaming makes you look ungracious and disrespectful of the democractic process of a legal protest. The protesters have already moved on and gone home last week, but you are still biting on to this incident. It makes you look small minded and ungracious at the minimum and thus unqualified to criticise other people’s action and behaviour. Perhaps you should start look within yourself to cultivate a gracious attitude to forgive and forget, and start to learn respecting the democratic process that other Singaporeans value.

    • KKK

      Please Lah, your intelligence is closer to 0 than ROY. go ask HHH how she knows who is at HLP. GOSH, she is smarter than u too.

      life sucks.

  14. qwertie

    Wow andreas’ comment is so ridden with expletives, I can’t even begin to take it seriously. Surely there must be a way to express one’s disagreement without “ad hominem-ing” all the way. Personally I think it’s rude of them to interrupt the ymca event, but the newspaper coverage of the “heckling” is also exaggerated.

    Now, take a few deep breaths and cool down before you give yourself an aneurysm.

  15. Ah Teo

    据了解,根据国家公园局有关条例 : ‘直接或间接的任何宗教信仰或一般宗教’ 是不被允许的。
    但是国家公园局批准YMCA,一个属于基督教协会的组织在芳林公园举办活动, 违反法定规定.

    同时张思乐,他触犯了使用童工的联合国儿童保护法。
    上述两个严重违反行为,由于人民的愿望要求审核淡马锡及退回公积金引起的,而总理李显龙也没有履行其义务,为此,李显龙总理应付全部责任,引咎辞职。

    According to Nparks “relates, directly or indirectly, to any religious belief or to religion generally” are not allowed.
    But Nparks approve YMCA, a Christian Association holding an event at Hong Lim Park , breach of statutory provisions. Meanwhile Teo Ser Luck, he violated the United Nations Children’s use of child labor protection laws.

    above two serious violations action, due to the people’s aspirations urged audit Temasek & return CPF caused, for which Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong did not meet its obligations , so pls to resign.

    • Horrified.

      “(b) the speaker does not deal with any matter

      (i) which relates, directly or in
      directly, to any religious belief or to
      religion generally; or
      (ii)
      which may cause feelings of enmity, hatred, ill

      will or hostility
      between different racial or religious groups in Singapore;”

      Uncle Teo..look carefully at the above lah. don’t anyhow quote can or not.. not true also say ‘according to nparks.’ sigh..

      • curiosity

        Really? you spend so much time replying people here but you cannot spend 1min doing a survey that could potentially be a reflection of people’s attitudes toward this whole CPF and YMCA issue?

  16. TeoBoh

    Can’t vouch for all protestors but I think most know not to take it(the political obstruction) out on innocent kids. If you watch the video, protestors were clearly disgusted with PAP. This is inevitable because Singaporeans are quite exposed to PAP underhand tactical history. Protestors blamed the disruption on PAP and directed their incredulity at PAP. And for a short while – as they were disbursing.

    To say they were “heckling” the kids was really hitting below the belt.

    • asdf

      Teoboh, u speaking for me now?

      even if we assume it was staged, Roy and his mates were stupid enough to eat the bait. Karma, i say let karma do its job.

    • cooper

      I have to admit, I don’t really see the heckling that everybody claim that the protesters did. But what gives them the right to crash the event and make a ruckus in the first place?

      • Please lah

        Please lah, the YMCA Amcee keep heckling at the CPF protesters. And also, they occupy the area meant for the march by setting up their tentage everywhere even before it was made known the space allocation. Anyone would not be happy.

      • Lam

        Where is the video showing this so called heckling by YMCA? Not happy does not mean Roy can act like this.

      • Please lah

        The video is posted at youtube. Th emcee shouted “Come, Lai Lai, CPF Money, I love you”. I was there and I heard him throw the gauntlet to taunt at the protesters. Never seen such amatuerish emcee before.

      • Meiling

        I was there too and heard the MC loud and clear. Don’t be lazy, learn how to use Google before asking others for help. The video is at youtube.

      • please hor

        Well I want to make sure that I watch the right video and not some propaganda created by PAP IB. That is why I am asking the people who know all about this ominous conspiracy. So perhaps you could put a link to the correct video since you should know which is accurate as you were there.

      • Meiling

        @ please hor, it is in one of these 4 videos:




        I can remember hearing clearly in the background the emcee chanting, “we love CPF”. Come, lai lai. CPF money I love you. I don’t have the time to do homework for you as these are few hours long video. You just need to go through them to find the evidence you want. Remember to tune it up to the maximum volume.

      • please hor

        eh but I cant seem to hear any “we love CPF. Come, lai lai. CPF money I love you” I blasted my speakers so loud that the police came knocking on my door cos the neighbours complained.

        Eh but can you remember who is the emcee anot. We can get him to testify that he said that phrase to vindicate Roy Ngerng!

      • Luke

        Seriously??!! Such an important and earth shattering event and you cannot remember when it occurred during the protest? I do not expect you to remember the exact minute it occurred. But surely you should have roughly known which part of the protest the emcee started shouting “we love cpf” Unless it never happen or it was so unimportant that you forgot about it. But it can’t be the second reason since it was due to the provocations of the emcee that the protesters marched and crashed the event several times. Otherwise the protesters would never do such a stupid thing not once but a few times.

      • Please lah

        @ Luke, I heard it too. No just Meiling. Not sure if it is captured on the videos, but sure the emcee said it.

  17. Ah Teo

    请总理回答二个简单的问题;

    1,人们要审计淡马锡, 需要付出什么代价才能实现 ?
    2, 人们在55岁后不愿意公积金被霸占,你过你的,我们过我们的。 又需要付出什么代价 ?

    什么是代价 ?

    利用童工恶作剧 ?
    国人不得安宁 ?
    年轻人必须代言 ?
    老人家终日不安 ?
    民愤日益极大 ?
    某人趁机抓人 ?
    穷人和富人打起来
    非搞死几条人命不可 ?

    这些都是代价 ?

    身为人民的领队人李总理先生,你值得这么搞吗 ?

    Please Prime Minister Lee , answer two simple questions :

    1), people want to audit Temasek, what price to pay to achieve?
    2), people do not want after 55 years of being occupied CPF, What price to pay again ?

    What is the price ?

    using the child labor for prank?
    People no peace?
    Young people must speak ?
    Elderly day and night uneasy?
    Growing public anger ?
    Someone took the opportunity to catch people?
    Rich and poor fighting ?
    Kill a few human lives ?

    These are the price ?

    As the leader of one of the people’s Prime Minister, do you deserve it?

    • Horrified.

      Uncle Teo…just now the big fat lie you typed about NParks got say sorry or not? Cannot anyhow type again and again leh…

    • asdf

      Ah Teo, why chinese and english? yr english is horrible anyway, stick with your chinese.. if you had taken time and effort to improve yourself, your life maybe very different. but u wasted your life on other things. unable to fund your own retirement, u resent the “haves” and government.

      Envy is a sin, Karma is here. i wish u well.

  18. Charlotte

    Roy.

    I am a 20 year old. I don’t like the government very much, do I like the nation.
    But one thing I cannot stand about Singaporeans is their mentality. Of how they are above others.
    You say you support the nation, you sound like you oppose the PAP very much.
    But guess what? You are ending up just as another Singaporean. Little do you and have you realised.
    Just like the other Political Leaders that you so detest, you are, upsetting the members of the community. You are not fighting on behalf of Singaporeans, you are fighting with them.

    You, and your measly protest, have harmed innocent people.
    People who had no idea what was happening when you and your troop of idiots marched into Hong Lim Park.
    Sure, you want us to be made aware of how the PAP is dealing with our CPF. You claim to be fighting for us, innocent sheep.

    Guess what? You stomped on innocent sheep. Special needs people. Members of society.
    People you claim to be fighting for.
    To hell with you.
    The tax, you question where the tax goes?
    IT GOES TO SPECIAL SCHOOLS YOU DIMWIT. Special Schools for these children and adults.
    It goes to government charities to make sure that these people get a proper education, to teach them what you have not been taught.

    I am appalled. I used to support you but guess what? You are a fucking scumbag.
    Show some remorse.
    You have become like what you say of the PAP. Do something terrible, in the end, issue a worthless statement and expect the rest of us to be okay with it.

    Fuck you Roy.
    Fuck you. May you get what you deserve in court.
    Good job bro.

    • to Charlotte

      Do you give him donations ? you used to support him ?
      ´” Fuck you Roy ” — we Fuck you bitch !
      “Fuck you. May you get what you deserve in court. Good job bro.”
      — Fuck you bitch , you get what bad luck you deserve in your life. Goodbye , bitch !

      • Charlotte

        Chill dude. I’m speaking on behalf of the others who did.
        I take no political stance her.
        I just am obviously against Roy, if you can’t see.

  19. roy's next protest

    Roy, I have an idea for your next protest. You can protest to NParks for the first 1 hour. Shout at NParks to keep government persons out of HLP. Scream at NParks to make sure only your views are heard at HLP. Followed by some boos. Then you can continue the rest of the day with your favourite silly ideas about CPF.

  20. roy's next protest

    I forgot. You must include lots of shrill whistling and 3 marches around HLP in the protests against NParks. One last thing, protest NParks to rename “Speakers Corner” to “For Me to Speak Only” Corner.

    In future, NParks must remember to vet the list of all invitees to all events. If HHH or Roy happens to be the speaker, they must take extra precaution to disallow government-affiliated persons or views to be expressed. You never know the speakers may be offended and incite a riot in the park.

  21. nparks should..

    To prevent future issues, NParks should tighten its control and checks on all events at Hong Lim Park. No walking, No screaming. No whistling. No booing. Speakers must speak from a fixed podium 1 metre wide by 1 metre long. No changing of speakers from submitted lists (vetted by police, intelligence, bankruptcy, IMH, etc). Errant speakers will be barred as a deterrent.

  22. President Teo En Ming, Federation of the Universe

    HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL COMPLAINT PROCEDURE

    On 18 June 2007, the Human Rights Council adopted resolution 5/1 entitled “Institution-Building of the United Nations Human Rights Council” by which a new complaint procedure was established to address consistent patterns of gross and reliably attested violations of all human rights and all fundamental freedoms occurring in any part of the world and under any circumstances.

    The complaint procedure addresses communications submitted by individuals, groups, or non-governmental organizations that claim to be victims of human rights violations or that have direct, reliable knowledge of such violations.

    Like the former 1503 procedure, it is confidential, with a view to enhance cooperation with the State concerned. The new complaint procedure has been improved, where necessary, to ensure that the procedure be impartial, objective, efficient, victims-oriented and conducted in a timely manner.

    History of situations considered since the establishment of the complaint procedure

    How does the complaint procedure work?

    Pursuant to paragraph 94 of resolution 5/1, the Chairperson of the Working Group on Communications, together with the Secretariat, undertake an initial screening of communications based on the admissibility criteria set in paragraphs 85 to 88 of resolution 5/1. Manifestly ill-founded and anonymous communications are screened out. Communications not rejected in the initial screening are transmitted to the State concerned to obtain its views on the allegations of violations. Both the author of a communication and the State concerned are informed of the proceedings at each stage.

    Two distinct working groups – the Working Group on Communications and the Working Group on Situations – are responsible, respectively, for examining written communications and bringing consistent patterns of gross and reliably attested violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms to the attention of the Council. (Click in the “in this section” for more information on both Working Groups and the closed meetings of the Council).

    What are the criteria for a communication to be accepted for examination?

    A communication related to a violation of human rights and fundamental freedoms is admissible, provided that:

    It is not manifestly politically motivated and its object is consistent with the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other applicable instruments in the field of human rights law;
    It gives a factual description of the alleged violations, including the rights which are alleged to be violated;
    Its language is not abusive. However, such a communication may be considered if it meets the other criteria for admissibility after deletion of the abusive language;
    It is submitted by a person or a group of persons claiming to be the victims of violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms, or by any person or group of persons, including non‑governmental organizations, acting in good faith in accordance with the principles of human rights, not resorting to politically motivated stands contrary to the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations and claiming to have direct and reliable knowledge of the violations concerned. Nonetheless, reliably attested communications shall not be inadmissible solely because the knowledge of the individual authors is second-hand, provided that they are accompanied by clear evidence;
    It is not exclusively based on reports disseminated by mass media;
    It does not refer to a case that appears to reveal a consistent pattern of gross and reliably attested violations of human rights already being dealt with by a special procedure, a treaty body or other United Nations or similar regional complaints procedure in the field of human rights;
    Domestic remedies have been exhausted, unless it appears that such remedies would be ineffective or unreasonably prolonged.

    National human rights institutions, established and operating under the Principles Relating to the Status of National Institutions (the Paris Principles), in particular in regard to quasi-judicial competence, may serve as effective means of addressing individual human rights violations.

    How to submit communications?

    Please fill out the complaint procedure form if you consider that your communication meets the abovementioned criteria.

    Where to send communications?

    Communications intended for handling under the Human Rights Council complaint procedure may be addressed to:

    Complaint Procedure Unit
    Human Rights Council Branch
    Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights
    United Nations Office at Geneva
    CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland
    Fax: (41 22) 917 90 11
    E-mail: CP@ohchr.org

    Teo En Ming
    Singapore Citizen

    • taxer

      Teo En Ming,
      1.your PM Lee took people’s money, let his wife to shopping, the result lost 40 billion USD,
      will you say something about that ?

      2. see people so poor, what will you help them get back their CPF?

      3.do you think that Singapore is belong to Lee family ? if no , why you work for him, rather than for people ?

  23. THE SIXTEN

    TMD, 把我们的CPF在美国输掉460亿美元, 还有脸告人家吗 ?
    这更加验证 Roy 的正确性。

    派身边不要脸几个婊子在这里骂人家Roy, 把新加坡毁掉的是她们.

  24. THE SIXTEN

    不折手段要這兩位揭露真相的年輕人閉嘴. 奪走他的飯碗, 並把他送去法庭,

    國會議員也橫插一腳, 黑手說有子彈就開槍斃了他. 婊子說要看到他破產。

    400億美元玩完了, 反過來要對兩個一無所有的孩子下毒手, 他們有一副犀利的眼睛,和上帝賦予的勇敢,
    而你們只是稻草人。

    我們再一次向他們鞠躬致意。他們是上帝派送給新加坡人民的天使 !

  25. 淡马锡8个月亏400亿美元 超5年收益总和一半

    据《华尔街日报》5月28日报道,新加坡国淡马锡控股在2008年3月末至2008年11月的时间内亏损了580亿新加坡元,相当于399.1亿美元。另外,这一数字也相当于这家投行在过去五年中收益总和的一半以上。

  26. THE SIXTEN

    SINGAPORE — Singapore Temasek Holdings Pte. Ltd. lost 58 billion Singapore dollars (US$39.91 billion) from the end of March 2008 to November 2008, or a little over than half of its portfolio-value gains from the previous five years, the city-state’s finance minister said.

    —————- Prime Minister couple lost so much money, Do they have a sense of shame since continue to obtain the astronomical income ?

  27. 在线跟踪

    8个月巨亏400亿美元

      数周前,外媒根据淡马锡提呈给美国证券交易委员会的文件,爆出淡马锡控股抛售美国银行持有的全部股权,亏损额度估值高达46亿美元。

      相隔不久,淡马锡又爆出投资巴克莱亏损的消息,淡马锡在今年初抛出在巴克莱所持的2%股权,由于股价缩水,亏损约8.5亿美元。

      两单投资巨亏的生意,使得淡马锡遭到众多新加坡民众的抨击,一直标榜进行长期投资的淡马锡,为何选择在市场最低迷的时候断腕?

      6月7日,新加坡星展银行分析师吴基民告诉时代周报,淡马锡在公司治理上,一切均以商业投资业绩说话,虽然何晶贵为总理太太,任淡马锡CEO,但是面对淡马锡8个月的巨额投资损失,选择引退是最佳结果。

     ————- 问题是她并没有退出。

    网易财经7月30日讯 据英国《金融时报》7月30日报道,淡马锡公司首席执行官何晶本周三表示,这家新加坡国立投资银行正在考虑增加股东的数量,另外,这家金融巨头还将首次寻求外部机构投资者的资本注入来进行个别项目的联合投资。

    何晶表示,机构投资者已经从数年之前开始接触淡马锡以寻求进行项目合作,而淡马锡在过去三年中也一直在考虑此方案。何晶表示,淡马锡需要再进行6至12个月的研究才能得出最后结论,这家公司希望能够确定与外部投资者合作将产生的结果。

    对于淡马锡而言,一旦有外部投资者与其进行联合投资,那么这家全世界最大的主权投资基金势必将提高信息的透明度。何晶本周三向新加坡政策研究所(Institute of Policy Studies)表示,即便淡马锡与外部投资者合作投资的方案得到通过,淡马锡也仅仅会选择那些长期投资者进行合作。

    一位淡马锡官员表示,公司高层此次讨论的议题,将主要针对是吸引投资者参与单个项目的投资还是创建投资基金对多个项目进行投资的问题。但是这位官员同时表示,目前所有的讨论都处于初步阶段,而且尚未得出一致结论。何晶表示,淡马锡希望能够制定一个框架性的方案,而无论是机构投资者还是个人投资者都将被包括在这一方案内。

    何晶曾表示,由于受到全球性经济危机的冲击,淡马锡在截至今年3月的一个财年中亏损了高达400亿新币。而根据新加坡财政部今年2月的报告,在截至去年11月30日的八个月中,淡马锡亏损了高达580亿新币,降幅为31%。而其投资组合总价值也一度缩水至1270亿新币。

    从以上各种数据可以得出,淡马锡的投资组合在12个月中损失了约22%。

    目前,新加坡财政部是淡马锡唯一股东。

  28. 在线跟踪

    何晶1953年出生于新加坡,新加坡总理李显龙的第二任妻子, 新加坡李光耀的儿媳,祖籍中国福建,现任新加坡淡马锡控股公司首席执行官。

    淡马锡控股公司是新加坡最重要的投资控股公司,目前掌管着新加坡遍布全球各地的数百亿美元资产。

    从2007年以来,淡马锡在欧美银行业的投资开始出现惨重损失。据淡马锡公开的资料显示:截至2009年3月的上财年中亏损逾400亿新元约合277.5亿美元,这样的管理层更迭显得过于激进和难以让人理解。但对于这样的质疑,淡马锡也从未做出可信服的解释说明。一切都隐在一团迷雾中。

    新加坡的这位“第一夫人”,同样有着凌厉的野心。当她代表淡马锡出现在各种隆重的场合时、当她一头短发出现在《财富》杂志封面上时、当她唇枪舌剑地同丈夫李显龙争辩时,根本无法掩盖她的锋芒,何晶是强势的。2002年她在一片反对声中走马上任淡马锡总裁,何晶屡次置身于质疑之中,但她对此似乎不屑一顾。

    事实上2005年淡马锡由于介入泰国总理他信家族持有的“shirp”股权,引发新加坡人民强烈反弹,几乎导致李显龙遭受弹劾,但即使如此,也没能让何晶停步,她反而加大了投资力度。而外界观察到的最大一笔投资损失,当属淡马锡对美国银行bfrica的投资。从2007年底开始持有美林的股权,到2009年一季度全部卖出,其损失介于23亿美元至46亿美元之间。同一年淡马锡在马来西亚和印尼等电信和银行的并购中,也遭受到当地政府的极力阻挡。新加坡金融服务专业协会主席梁实轩如此评论:“淡马锡投资受挫,这说明了国际多元化投资还是有一定风险。我们不能期待淡马锡一定赚很多钱,但是希望他们每走一步的时候也应该向新加坡老百姓交代好。”其实何晶从未离开淡马锡。淡马锡一直以何晶的决定为主,何晶一直像那位坐在帘幕后面的“西太后”。何晶即不接受任何记者的采访,这样能让人更加看不清楚里面的一切。

    在淡马锡的资本分布图中,本土投资占了高达75%的比重。据此,何晶多次在公共场合表示,未来数年淡马锡将只保留三分之一的投资在新加坡,另外三分之一在亚洲市场,还有三分之一将投向发达国家。

    何晶认为,银行是中产阶级队伍壮大的代理人,占据了银行这一重要的“桥头堡”,就等于提前拿到了中产阶级这一未来庞大消费市场的话语权。

    “总裁,其实新加坡李氏家族的人我们都有调查过的,到最后发现一家子根本就没有什么商业奇才的,难道李光耀那个老头子不知道该把什么东西掌握在自己的手里吗?其实是他根本就没人可用的,这才有了这个女人的传奇,”

    吴作栋生于1941年5月20日。早年就加坡历史悠久的莱佛士学院,后在新加坡大学学习,获一等经济荣誉学位。是继李光耀之后的新加坡第二任总理,1990年起接任李光耀任总理、1992年起担任新加坡人民行动党秘书长至2004年8月为止。2011年5月14日,新加坡第一任和第二任总理李光耀和吴作栋发表联合声明,双双宣布不进入政府新内阁,按照集团的资料来看,李光耀就走了那么一步,自己退下来的同时也得把这个老家伙给拉下来,毕竟新加坡吴家的本事跟李家比起来可能差了一点。

    “总裁放心,我们会小心的做事的,淡马锡的事情我已经交代下去了,这就是李氏家族的一个小金库,吴先生已经把他在淡马锡内部的内线告诉我们了。” 但是眼前的一切又都是事实的。

  29. KKK

    “I do not care about my reputation or character. That does not matter. But what I care about is that the lives of others are treated right and we get a fair chance at living the lives we want. It’s up to you as well, my friends.”

    ROY and Your BUNCH of LOSERS, before you start asking whether YOU GOT the fair chance at living, ask yourself, DID YOU EVEN put in your own effort!! this country do not owe you a dime. LOSERs like you blame everyone else apart from yourself. YOU are in this shit because of who you are. Same with the bunch of losers you have rounded up and claiming to be your supporters.

    i have a new name for you…LOSERS UNITED!!

    • taxer

      KKK,
      PM Lee arbitrarily deprived Roy’s job Roy, which is equality of opportunity? Occupied our CPF for his wife gambling
      , and said do not owe us ? we have an old name for you… tan , that woman no man !

      • kkk

        Taxer, firstly your english sucks. No idea what the ???? U are yelping. Secondly, roy is stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds him. HE DESRVES IT.

        As for u, wake up bwfore it is too late. look at the fellow so called suporters. Life have maybe been unfair to them. But if u want to indugle in fantansy, god also cannot save u.

        Good luck.

      • to kkk

        kkk,
        english sucks ? so what ? with a bilingual people, what about you ? only know how to flatter a vampire, nothing else.

  30. rick

    Do you think people give a damm about your reputation or the Nergn family reputation. What you are doing in public irk and disgust many people. I really hate to see your public nonesense. So please fuck off.

    • taxer

      rick
      You should go Jumping off, so our country will not hand over 40 billion USD to his wife gamble it So please fuck off.

  31. will

    Ravi, if you are reading this, are you still willing to fight for somebody like this? There is a difference between free speech and makeup stories and excuse, lies and twisted facts. It does take a lawyer to see this.

    • taxer

      Ah Boy
      you think people all are selfish like PM Lee ?
      only speak for himself ? HHH is on the people’s behalf to speak, no matter how much her CPF, the matter on our CPF !

    • taxer

      Obviously, the evidence is complete, the next criminal suit is Lee Hsien Loong and his wife.
      sad, Your henchman job is soon expire , you need to renew.

  32. KongHeeee

    Singaporeans…are you hard working??

    YEEEESSSS

    Is the PAP hard working??

    NOOOOOOOOOO

    lol

    Their mouth very hard working! lol

  33. landragon123

    Law suite will not be coming soon as this a lesson for the PM of Singapore to learn, never try to sue a young man at his prime and try to destroy him and NOW you the PM is destroying yourself for the GOOD of Singapore to know the dirties in MOST Ministries for the New PM to take care SOON.

      • taxer

        KKK
        Roy is younger than you, so he is qualified to represent us, and conversely, what will you do for Singaporeans ? nothing ! only flatter one man for survival, do you feel shame ? now we want to destroy that insatiable greedy 63-year-old man, so what ! You hopping la,

  34. T

    Roy, I think hor. You need to change your protest slogan.

    You keep shouting Return Our CPF! But have you stopped to consider that not all Singaporeans want their CPF to be returned?

    Since I started work till now, my monthly payments into CPF have earned me a compounding 4% interest annually – it allowed me and my husband to comfortably pay the downpayment on our bto when we started planning for marriage.

    If your protest is successful and the government returns my CPF monies, are you gonna help me invest my CPF monies, guaranteeing no capital loss and 4% compounded annual returns? If you cant right, then pls change your slogan to
    #return cpf only to people who want their cpf returned and leave the rest of us alone.

    Pls do not think of us Singaporeans are mindless blind sheep. We can see both the pros and cons for CPF. We can see that some of the CPF policies can be a bit inflexible for the lower income. But we can also see how CPF helps us to comfortably buy our homes. We can also see how CPF allows us to invest our CPF monies (above a certain amount) if we believe our own investments can reap better yields.

    What I probably want to see is more targetted solutions discussed to help the lower income because 20% employer contribution to CPF represents a significant portion of the lower income household’s disposable income. So far I have not seen anything close from you. You don’t finish the entire story of what happens after you return all the CPF monies to a lower income household – where do they invest their money for a guaranteed 4%? What happens if they fall ill and become unable to work? What happens when they reach retirement age and they have no savings and no CPF monies?

    But from you I see only mindless shouting, screaming, flags waving. You are protesting for protesting’s sake.

    Sorry lor. But even a little kid can do that lor.

    Don’t get me wrong. You can continue your silly protests if you want. I think you are a determined individual. And as I said, you have every right to voice your beliefs.

    But do not think for one second that you are a martyr, dying to free us million mindless oppressed sheep.

    We are not mindless oppressed sheep which cannot question the government policies. We are not mindless oppressed sheep which you must stir from our peaceful slumber into action.

    And you are not a martyr, fighting the weary fight alone. You feel you are fighting the weary fight alone because you are a determined but foolhardly self-styled soldier of the people that veers completely off course.

    But remember, while you continue to shout and scream, pls do not force us to listen to you. Please let us continue living our lives. Please let the special needs kids continue their dances.

    ps: btw hor not every setback you face is a political agenda/tool ok? sometimes it is just your own stupidity ok? man up and admit it already ok?

  35. "Speaker Corner"?

    It’s not “Speakers Corner”. It should be “For me to speak only while you must listen” corner. What to do? Thugs will be thugs. Intolerant, senseless, angry silly over their own flawed conspiracy theories.

    Maybe “I have a conspiracy theory” corner?

  36. Xmen

    Chris K nailed it –

    September 30, 2014 at 9:53 am Chris K(Quote)
    I would follow this line of enquiry:

    Did the behaviour of the YMCA event organisers infringe on the law which provided for the strict separation of church and state, enshrined in the Constitution. Church being the metaphor for religion. If the event MC, regardless whether he is from the YMCA or from the grassroots made a political statement such as We Love CPF knowing full well this has become a political issue and even in response to the protestors’ chants of Return our CPF, then I see that as a collusion between religion and politics, and as such infringement of the law.

    • Wolverine

      x-man, characters in x-man had super-power, sadly for you, you evolved into a dumb-ass.

      laws of evolution has not been kind to u….same thing with ROY and HHH.

      I see there are thousands of petition to revoke HHH citizenship.suggest Maybe i she get a new t-short with KICK ME LA!

    • Chan

      Wolverine,
      everything was designed by LHL’s team, revoke revoke HHH citizenship, the first revoke LHL citizenship
      he have more guilty . HHH is an voice , but nothing with her, and LHL is a Black hands, transfer our CPF without informed ? lost 400 billion USD without judge him ?unless you are the share with him,
      by the way have you seen there are thousands of petition LHL step down ?
      the judge will be back to the people of Singapore !

    • B

      can any country for that matter say for sure that the separation of state and church has been observed with no infringement. I doubt so.

  37. President Teo En Ming, Federation of the Universe

    I think not many Singaporeans know about this. Any Singaporean who thinks his/her human rights and freedoms have been violated by the Singapore Government can file an official complaint to the United Nations Human Rights Council through the Complaint Procedure.

    UNITED NATIONS HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL COMPLAINT PROCEDURE

    On 18 June 2007, the Human Rights Council adopted resolution 5/1 entitled “Institution-Building of the United Nations Human Rights Council” by which a new complaint procedure was established to address consistent patterns of gross and reliably attested violations of all human rights and all fundamental freedoms occurring in any part of the world and under any circumstances.

    The complaint procedure addresses communications submitted by individuals, groups, or non-governmental organizations that claim to be victims of human rights violations or that have direct, reliable knowledge of such violations.

    Like the former 1503 procedure, it is confidential, with a view to enhance cooperation with the State concerned. The new complaint procedure has been improved, where necessary, to ensure that the procedure be impartial, objective, efficient, victims-oriented and conducted in a timely manner.

    History of situations considered since the establishment of the complaint procedure

    How does the complaint procedure work?

    Pursuant to paragraph 94 of resolution 5/1, the Chairperson of the Working Group on Communications, together with the Secretariat, undertake an initial screening of communications based on the admissibility criteria set in paragraphs 85 to 88 of resolution 5/1. Manifestly ill-founded and anonymous communications are screened out. Communications not rejected in the initial screening are transmitted to the State concerned to obtain its views on the allegations of violations. Both the author of a communication and the State concerned are informed of the proceedings at each stage.

    Two distinct working groups – the Working Group on Communications and the Working Group on Situations – are responsible, respectively, for examining written communications and bringing consistent patterns of gross and reliably attested violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms to the attention of the Council. (Click in the “in this section” for more information on both Working Groups and the closed meetings of the Council).

    What are the criteria for a communication to be accepted for examination?

    A communication related to a violation of human rights and fundamental freedoms is admissible, provided that:

    It is not manifestly politically motivated and its object is consistent with the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other applicable instruments in the field of human rights law;
    It gives a factual description of the alleged violations, including the rights which are alleged to be violated;
    Its language is not abusive. However, such a communication may be considered if it meets the other criteria for admissibility after deletion of the abusive language;
    It is submitted by a person or a group of persons claiming to be the victims of violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms, or by any person or group of persons, including non‑governmental organizations, acting in good faith in accordance with the principles of human rights, not resorting to politically motivated stands contrary to the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations and claiming to have direct and reliable knowledge of the violations concerned. Nonetheless, reliably attested communications shall not be inadmissible solely because the knowledge of the individual authors is second-hand, provided that they are accompanied by clear evidence;
    It is not exclusively based on reports disseminated by mass media;
    It does not refer to a case that appears to reveal a consistent pattern of gross and reliably attested violations of human rights already being dealt with by a special procedure, a treaty body or other United Nations or similar regional complaints procedure in the field of human rights;
    Domestic remedies have been exhausted, unless it appears that such remedies would be ineffective or unreasonably prolonged.

    National human rights institutions, established and operating under the Principles Relating to the Status of National Institutions (the Paris Principles), in particular in regard to quasi-judicial competence, may serve as effective means of addressing individual human rights violations.

    How to submit communications?

    Please fill out the complaint procedure form if you consider that your communication meets the abovementioned criteria.

    Where to send communications?

    Communications intended for handling under the Human Rights Council complaint procedure may be addressed to:

    Complaint Procedure Unit
    Human Rights Council Branch
    Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights
    United Nations Office at Geneva
    CH-1211 Geneva 10, Switzerland
    Fax: (41 22) 917 90 11

    Regards,

    Teo En Ming
    Singapore Citizen

    • President Teo En Ming, Federation of the Universe

      Filing an official complaint to the United Nations Human Rights Council is going to be much more effective than organizing protests in Singapore. Come on, let’s face it. We can never get a 80,000 turnout like the current pro-democracy protest in Hong Kong. Singaporeans are too timid and meek to clash with the police and government.

      Regards,

      Teo En Ming
      Singapore Citizen

      • Jackfruit

        haha .. to clash with the police and govt means you are brave ? or are you trying to stir up emotions like the HHH/Roy gang?

  38. Did PAP Supporters' Chants Of "We Love Our CPF" Heckle The Children?

    Roy & HHH chants/shouts of ‘Return our CPF”
    – This one can frighten children
    – this is heckling

    THEN WHAT ABOUT?
    —————-
    PAP supporters chants/shouts of “We Love Our CPF”
    – This cannot frighten children meh?
    – this is not heckling meh?

    One law for slaves?
    Another law for PAPigs?

    Did Teo Ser Luck stand up on stage to tell everybody “Please be quiet. You are ALL scaring the children”
    This also cannot do.
    Do you think Teo Ser Luck can protect our CPF money from a rogue government?

    • Chan

      no, Teo Ser Luck just flatter the Lee family, not for people but, we don’t blame him , the vampire 50 years time distorted man’s hearts

  39. SG Yue Fei

    It is surreal to note that your blog on this topic receives so few comments. There can only be two possibilities: 1) Netizens have stopped subscribing to your illogical notions of a democratic Singapore or 2) You have been actively deleting non-favourable replies. I would believe the 2nd one more since there has to be a hoarde waiting outside right now looking for the opportunity to, say the least, “give you a good one”.

    I guess that is your version of a more “open and democratic” Singapore where you censor what you don’t like to hear. Enough said, your actions at HLP was despicable along with your partner, HHH. You guys seem to have forgotten that the Police Officer that you guys snubbed is also a Singapore citizen. By making things difficult for him to perform his duty shows how much of a tyrant you guys can be if you are ever given that opportunity. I’m not going to even start on how you have rode roughshod over the special need kids during that event.

    Enough excuses from you. I can understand why parents would not even want to give you that opportunity to apologise when what you guys have done is basically unforgivable. You have not only insulted your family and your country, you have also put to shame humanity.

    My only wish for you and HHH is to be blessed with lots of children in your life, special need ones, so that you can finally understand the challenge parents of special needs children face in their lives.

    • Chan

      be smart, ok, today , Roy’s suffering , a few years later, the same will occur in these children .
      if you really care the childrend, you may join the protesting team and fight for their future
      it included : each kid have to welfare the basic living cost monthly 300 SGD
      that will meet the real caring kids action, ok.

      if you insist be stupid, we suspect you have no kids there, you are here only want swimming in the trouble water.

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